CCGR
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I doubt we'll hear from him again
new doom 3 review
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Dark Virtue
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I honestly feel sad in a way.
I did notice that his review was on a few other sites as well, I'm not sure how well received they were though.
I did notice that his review was on a few other sites as well, I'm not sure how well received they were though.
Gumpngreen
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I posted this in the comments for the review:
Am I correct?
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Am I correct?
CCGR
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correct
joshofstl
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It's unfortunate, because it's obvious Dan put a lot of time and thought into his review... it probably just came off as being too polemic, especially at the very end. And, to be fair, it's not just Dan's review that has been met like this. With all the hype surrounding Doom III, a lot of other sites' reviews of the game have been met with a lot of harsh reader feedback. This is an enormously popular game with a large difference of opinion on how good it is.
This game - along with the equally-provacative Ninja Gaiden review - does serve as good food for thought for reviewers as they consider how to handle games with questionable content. Being honest about a game's moral faults without being "preachy" is a dicey business...
This game - along with the equally-provacative Ninja Gaiden review - does serve as good food for thought for reviewers as they consider how to handle games with questionable content. Being honest about a game's moral faults without being "preachy" is a dicey business...
I have to disagree here. That wasnt a review. That was some self righteous guy who accused Id of being incahoots with a satanic cult. Oh no! Pentagrams! oh, what will we do?! Of course hes going to get harsh feedback, he spends the whole 'review' complaining about how evil it is.[b said:
" As a twenty-one year old I have to say I was freaked out, disturbed, and horrified by Doom III’s content."
Well freakin' duh man, thats the point! Wasting 55 dollars? Look at the box it comes in, open the flap for pete's sake. Its your own fault you spent it without gathering info on it.
"After hours of exposure to this game, I could see a child’s attitude and personality change because of this game."
Wheres the evidence to this? hmm? Im a 16 year old christian, albeit a cynical one at that, but the game didnt change me at all. I liked it. I enjoyed it.
The 'screenshots' he posted were released by id, making me think even more that he didnt play through the full game, and thus has no right to review it. Hes not getting shot at so much for his christian bias, but more because he provides no evidence to back himself up. I could take at least 100 screenshots that arent 'satanic'
As for the non-christian parts, hes wrong there as well. Graphics? you want perfect graphics, you need a 512 mb vid card, which IF they are in existance now, arent available to the public. A Ti4200 will get you low, maybe medium quality, i know; i have one.
Bah i would write more but i have to get back to class. I have one thing to tell the reviewer should i ever see him. Dude, if you didnt like doom, i highly recommend you play blood or blood2:the chosen. would be fun to watch your eyes pop out of your head
CCGR
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some people have. reviews are opinions not eeryone has to agree with it
Exo-Slayer
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The thing you have to understand is the reviews posted here are for the most part to be used by christian's to find games. Its used to find games that are both are fun and entertaining in addition to being appropriate for a Christian. This is only one review and every Christian would find different levels of things appropriate, but this review pointed out what the reviewer would deem as inappropriate.
While he may have gone a little over board accusing the developers of being in cahoots with satan, he was basicly putting forward tha he thought it would be inappropriate for a christian to play.
Personally I played through the game and thought the violence was cartoony and over the top, and the satanic images were laughable in their use. Though I do agree with the reviewer that I would not want a young child to play the game. Basicly If I had a child I would not want them playing the game but thats just me.
While he may have gone a little over board accusing the developers of being in cahoots with satan, he was basicly putting forward tha he thought it would be inappropriate for a christian to play.
Personally I played through the game and thought the violence was cartoony and over the top, and the satanic images were laughable in their use. Though I do agree with the reviewer that I would not want a young child to play the game. Basicly If I had a child I would not want them playing the game but thats just me.
Dark Virtue
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Reviews based on Christian principles are fine, but Dan's review was laden with hypocrisy.
That, above all else, is what people took offense to.
That, above all else, is what people took offense to.
joshofstl
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Hypocrisy in the review? Elaborate if you could.
Exo-Slayer
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You may want to check the Defention of hypocrisy beofre you start accusing people...
He put forth his views that the game has a lot of satanic message and in his opinion would not be good for most people. Thats an opinion and cannot be proven false thus im not seeing any hypocrisy.
He may have been off on a few elements such as the graphics saying they are terrible is still an opinion. Personally I think the Graphics were good but very overrated the only amazing element was the heat waves to me everything else has been done before.
Everything else seemed pretty right on in the reveiw to me, he complains how almost every room looks the same and is scripted true. He complains about an almost utter darkness and the need to switch to the flashlight true. He acctully says he likes the sound which I think is partially true though the weapons were a bit tinny.
The Only real criticism I could find as I said before was he went over the top on professing if you play the game you are going down a path to Satanism.
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He put forth his views that the game has a lot of satanic message and in his opinion would not be good for most people. Thats an opinion and cannot be proven false thus im not seeing any hypocrisy.
He may have been off on a few elements such as the graphics saying they are terrible is still an opinion. Personally I think the Graphics were good but very overrated the only amazing element was the heat waves to me everything else has been done before.
Everything else seemed pretty right on in the reveiw to me, he complains how almost every room looks the same and is scripted true. He complains about an almost utter darkness and the need to switch to the flashlight true. He acctully says he likes the sound which I think is partially true though the weapons were a bit tinny.
The Only real criticism I could find as I said before was he went over the top on professing if you play the game you are going down a path to Satanism.
Dark Virtue
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According to your post, hypocrisy means, "1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness."
Now let's look at some exerpts of his review.
"Stay far away from Doom III it has no value to it at all. I would highly recommend that anyone who professes themselves to be Christians, to NOT PLAY THIS GAME."
Now, he is professing himself to be a Christian, yet not only did he purchase the game, but he played the game ALL THE WAY THROUGH. If he was truly offended with the game, there would have been no need to finish the game.
He also said, " I really don’t see any valuable aspect in playing this game, it’s not fun. It literally eats away at you spiritually and really sucks you dry."
If it wasn't fun, then why did he feel the need to play it in its entirety? Why would he risk having his spirituality sucked dry?
That my friends, is hypocrisy.
As I've said before, Christian morality is fine, if you actually practice it and adhere to it. Doom III was one of the most hyped games of the year, there is no way he could have gone into the game not knowing anything about it. He knew the history of the games and the developers, yet he still insisted on playing the game. You can't have it both ways. Either stand by your morals or don't.
Consider this...what if, as a Christian, you wrote movie reviews? Debbie Does Dallas 3 comes out. Do you really need to see it to know that it would be full of pornography. And if you actually did view a copy, would you have to watch the ENTIRE movie to see how unChristian it was? That's silly isn't it? That's exactly what Dan did.
The review could have still been written with a balanced Christian viewpoint. But he can't honestly expect us to believe he was so turned off and worried by the satanic content in this game that he still felt the need to play, and dare I say, ENJOY, the entire game.
Now let's look at some exerpts of his review.
"Stay far away from Doom III it has no value to it at all. I would highly recommend that anyone who professes themselves to be Christians, to NOT PLAY THIS GAME."
Now, he is professing himself to be a Christian, yet not only did he purchase the game, but he played the game ALL THE WAY THROUGH. If he was truly offended with the game, there would have been no need to finish the game.
He also said, " I really don’t see any valuable aspect in playing this game, it’s not fun. It literally eats away at you spiritually and really sucks you dry."
If it wasn't fun, then why did he feel the need to play it in its entirety? Why would he risk having his spirituality sucked dry?
That my friends, is hypocrisy.
As I've said before, Christian morality is fine, if you actually practice it and adhere to it. Doom III was one of the most hyped games of the year, there is no way he could have gone into the game not knowing anything about it. He knew the history of the games and the developers, yet he still insisted on playing the game. You can't have it both ways. Either stand by your morals or don't.
Consider this...what if, as a Christian, you wrote movie reviews? Debbie Does Dallas 3 comes out. Do you really need to see it to know that it would be full of pornography. And if you actually did view a copy, would you have to watch the ENTIRE movie to see how unChristian it was? That's silly isn't it? That's exactly what Dan did.
The review could have still been written with a balanced Christian viewpoint. But he can't honestly expect us to believe he was so turned off and worried by the satanic content in this game that he still felt the need to play, and dare I say, ENJOY, the entire game.
Gandhi
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offtopic there is no Debbie Does Dallas 3, its Debbie Does Dallas the revenge. Get your classic porn right.
But I agree with u dark.
If I'm watching tv and something is offending me I change the channel, I don't sit there and say wow this makes me sick, and sit there and watch it for 2 hours. Same thing, u knew about doom 3 way before it came out because of all the hype, yet u go and spend $66 to play a game just so u can say I played it and its not christian.
I've said it before if u don't want to play it thats fine, but let others that do enjoy it.
U know he enjoyed the game he played it right through. But now to justify his faith he's trying to put it down.
But I agree with u dark.
If I'm watching tv and something is offending me I change the channel, I don't sit there and say wow this makes me sick, and sit there and watch it for 2 hours. Same thing, u knew about doom 3 way before it came out because of all the hype, yet u go and spend $66 to play a game just so u can say I played it and its not christian.
I've said it before if u don't want to play it thats fine, but let others that do enjoy it.
U know he enjoyed the game he played it right through. But now to justify his faith he's trying to put it down.
Gumpngreen
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Objecting on that basis is not logical. To be a professional game reviewer and to do a thorough review you have to play the whole product. It's that simple. There are plenty of christian movie reviewers who watch certain R-rated movies and then recommend others not to watch them from a content viewpoint. I'm fairly surprised anyone would have a problem with that.
Now, one logical objection you could make is that since Dan does not work for CCGR he wasn't required to do a review. Still, it's possible he felt he was doing a service for others. Whether or not he is right in feeling that way is subjective and really isn't worth arguing over.
Now, one logical objection you could make is that since Dan does not work for CCGR he wasn't required to do a review. Still, it's possible he felt he was doing a service for others. Whether or not he is right in feeling that way is subjective and really isn't worth arguing over.
Dark Virtue
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It's not worth arguing over, yet here you are, arguing the point.[b said:
I disagree with your logical basis. This isn't a professional review site, as you pointed out. The author felt strongly about the content in the game. I'll point this out yet again.
He said, " I really don’t see any valuable aspect in playing this game, it’s not fun. It literally eats away at you spiritually and really sucks you dry."
If it wasn't fun, then why did he feel the need to play it in its entirety? Why would he risk having his spirituality sucked dry?
That my friends, is hypocrisy.
Gumpngreen
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That statement alone shows you completely misunderstood my post. If, after rereading my statement, you still don't comprehend it then it's obvious this conversation will go nowhere as it is an argument entirely based upon emotionalism.[b said:
Dark Virtue
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I guess your logic is too much for me.
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Gumpngreen
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Considering your first response, my intent was to inform you that you apparently misread my post, not insult your intelligence. I understand that when quickly reading forum posts it is easy to make such mistakes.
In any case, I'm going to discontinue this conversation.
In any case, I'm going to discontinue this conversation.
Okay, I'd like to point out a few things about this review in particular. But first of all I'd like to establish something that I see again and again. The pentacle is not a reference to satan, it's a representation of the stars alignment with venus. It's used to scare you because you think: "ooohhh..I just saw a pentacle." Now that I have that established I can go on; I can't honestly disagree with the review more. He obviously was too busy sulking about the "killing of demons" to even enjoy the game even though the game is simplistic (it was built that way, you knew that.) But what he fails to mention is that this game reflects the most simple of stories: good overcoming evil. It's that simple, you see evil and you vanquish it. The upside down crosses are arguably a reference to Jesus and therefore is an insult, but that doesn't mean that this game set out to "demonize you." It set out to scare the begeezes out of you and thats exactly what it does. Anyone who sees enough parallels between Doom 3 and life to not play it because of the references needs to get a catscan. Oh, and the studies that showed a link to violence and videogames were conducted by parents. The "real" studies only conlcuded that it desensitizes children but recent studies also show a link between videogames and problem-solving abilities. This game will not corrupt your children anymore than the Passion of the Christ would. Enough said.