I'm voting for Ron Paul

Hescominsoon said:
that is why we as Americans need to get active in our gov't. Too many folks have forgotten it's our gov't..not the govt's govt.
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I haven't forgotten that its our government. I've written my congressmen many times about various things. My concerns always fell on deaf ears. Its my opinion that about the only way the government is gonna listen to us is if we march the capitol with guns in hand and demand to be heard. These people say what they need to to get elected and legislate for the people who gave them the biggest campaign contributions so the money will keep coming in. Our form of government only works if there are honest people of integrity who will put aside their own agenda and vote the will of the people who elected them.

All who go into politics who honestly want to try to make a difference either get caught up in the corruption or get discouraged and give up or worse yet get smeared in the mud by the other crooked polititians and the media and get their lives and the lives of their families ruined.

Lets face it the government is run by people. People are sinfull and every intent of the thoughts of man's heart is only evil continually.
 
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Atown said:
So him believing in the 10 commandments is wrong? :confused:

Braveheart, be more careful with statements like the above. Theres a good point in there but it needs to be worded a little better. Words like stupid, wrong, and idiot as examples and others carry alot of weight that you need to be careful with.
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Who says he believes in the ten commandments?
 
Hescominsoon said:
we never should have gone in there in the first place. Where did congress declare war according to the constitution? how about Afghanistan? ...(hears crickets). We have no constitutional business being there. Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who is even close to taking hte constitution literally as it should be read.

Here's the full text.

http://www.hescominsoon.com/archives/794

i'll be conservative and say 75% of everything the federal gov't is against the constitution which makes it illegal. Upon further investigation it's probably higher. The constitution works like this..if it is not specifically and explicitly written into the constitution then it is not for the federal gov't to be doing. it's that simple.
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You keep saying that our being in Iraq is against the Constitution, but I don't see where you are coming up with that. I've read it and I think it falls within Congresses mandate.

"To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water"

"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions"

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 made it constitutional for us to be there. If they had not passed such a resolution then we would have no business there. People seem to so quickly forget that on 9-11-2001 the USA was invaded by a muslim terrorist group that originated in Iraq and Afganistan and thousands of innocent civilians were killed. If nothing else our presense there is to repel further invasions which under the Constitution it clearly authorizes the Congress to support our military being there.

If we don't do whats necessary to repel further invasions then 9-11 is only the beginning, those people not only want us dead, but want to destroy our country and entire way of life and especially the Christian faith.
 
Kidan said:
Question: how can our armed forces repel invasions when they're not on our soil?
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How? By going where the invaders are and stopping them before they ever set foot on our soil. We took the fight to them rather than doing it here where our civilians would get hurt. Unlike the radical muslims, our military values human life and does everthing it can to avoid civilian casualties. These Muslims see killing civilians as bonus points when they get to Hell and Satan gives them those virgins and little boys he promissed them. We aren't dealing with rational people here. These people are born and raised to hate our living guts and taught that it is a tremendous honor in the afterlife for killing infidel's (that's us) in their god's (small g) name.
 
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Captain_Tea said:
How? By going where the invaders are and stopping them before they ever set foot on our soil. We took the fight to them rather than doing it here where our civilians would get hurt. Unlike the radical muslims, our military values human life and does everthing it can to avoid civilian casualties. These Muslims see killing civilians as bonus points when they get to Hell and Satan gives them those virgins and little boys he promissed them. We aren't dealing with rational people here. These people are born and raised to hate our living guts and taught that it is a tremendous honor in the afterlife for killing infidel's (that's us) in their god's (small g) name.
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Two things here, first, which nation attacked us?

Second - yes, Islam teaches that, so what exactly does killing them solve? We need to stop the religion.
 
Atown said:
The church of LDS believes in the 10 commandments among other things that jews, and christians believe.
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They believe in their version. They wrap themselves up inside the shroud of Christian words but for the LDS the meanings are totally different.
 
Hescominsoon said:
They believe in their version. They wrap themselves up inside the shroud of Christian words but for the LDS the meanings are totally different.
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i know and understand that. blah i guess what i was trying to say to braveheart was something along different lines.

Basically if you try and convert a mormon u cant go up to them and say: ZOMC UR WRONG! UR BIBLE IS TEH SUXORZ! I know if i saw christians doing that it would make me cry, oh wait its already happened. when it comes to stuff like this sure we can obviously and biblical oppose mormons in an election race, but we need to make sure our general attitude to people is still loving in the way that Christ would have us when he commanded us to love the Father the most, and to love our neighbors, friends, mormons, buhdists and others.
 
Kidan said:
which nation attacked us?
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Every nation that harbors and supports these radical Muslim terrorists had a hand in attacking us. Remember the news footage of those wicked people dancing in the streets and partying after the bombings on 9-11. Many of them see themselves united under the "nation of Islam". Iran and Syria should be next on the list of countries that get a visit from the M.O.A.B.(mother of all bombs). We need to fight these people head on and win, and win decisively. People like the cut and run Polititians, Ron Paul included, do nothing but send a message of weakness to the middle east. All they are doing is encouraging them to attack us again and next time could be much worse. Especially with nuclear technology in the hands of Iran.

Cells of these people exist in our very own country. I live less than 150mi from the largest muslim population in the USA, in the east side of Michigan. Tell me that's not cause for concern.

Kidan said:
Second - yes, Islam teaches that, so what exactly does killing them solve? We need to stop the religion.
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It is not about killing them, I don't want to see anyone die, it is about severely crippling and removing their ability to harm us. Only a fraction of the Muslims are the zealots who want us dead. We aren't looking at a holy war just eliminating the threat to our safety and national security. It is something that can be achieved.

Once Iraq is stable I think that many of the peoples of the nations around it will see what freedom from tyranical dictators and monarchs and oppressive religious regimes looks like and it will have a transforming effect on the entire region. Especially when Christianity and the message of Jesus Christ is once again allowed to spread freely in that region. Nothing will transform the middle east except the power and love of our Lord.
 
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Captain_Tea said:
Every nation that harbors and supports these radical Muslim terrorists had a hand in attacking us. Remember the news footage of those wicked people dancing in the streets and partying after the bombings on 9-11. Many of them see themselves united under the "nation of Islam". Iran and Syria should be next on the list of countries that get a visit from the M.O.A.B.(mother of all bombs). We need to fight these people head on and win, and win decisively. People like the cut and run Polititians, Ron Paul included, do nothing but send a message of weakness to the middle east. All they are doing is encouraging them to attack us again and next time could be much worse. Especially with nuclear technology in the hands of Iran.

Cells of these people exist in our very own country. I live less than 150mi from the largest muslim population in the USA, in the east side of Michigan. Tell me that's not cause for concern.



It is not about killing them, I don't want to see anyone die, it is about severely crippling and removing their ability to harm us. Only a fraction of the Muslims are the zealots who want us dead. We aren't looking at a holy war just eliminating the threat to our safety and national security. It is something that can be achieved.

Once Iraq is stable I think that many of the peoples of the nations around it will see what freedom from tyranical dictators and monarchs and oppressive religious regimes looks like and it will have a transforming effect on the entire region. Especially when Christianity and the message of Jesus Christ is once again allowed to spread freely in that region. Nothing will transform the middle east except the power and love of our Lord.
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you can't go to military war against a religion..religion is a thought and a feeling..not a physical action. You cannot stop Islam with man-made weapons..only the sword of hte lord can stop it. We have become to dependent on man's weapons against Satan and not Christ's sword and weaponry. Iraq and the rest of the Middle East will never be stable until the second coming of Christ. Nothing we try is going to change that.
 
^ Truth. The Middle East conflict all started with Abraham's sons, Ishmael and Isaac, and it will not end until the Lord's return. The US, by supporting Israel (which I totally believe in BTW) has been drawn into the conflict and drawn the hatred of the militant Muslims. Our dependence on their oil is our weakness. We've supported that area for far too long financially by buying their oil.

Now, here's a question: If a militant group of American civilians went over to Afghanistan and killed Osama bin Laden, but also hundreds of Afghan citizens at the same time, would America harbor them? I would certainly think there would be much rejoicing in the US if they were successful. And would Afghanistan be correct to retaliate against the US as a whole?
 
that depends on their country laws or constitution. Considering Osama is not the leadership of their country the question is really moot anyway.
 
Ah, but my point is, if a group of militant civilian Americans went to Afghanistan and killed hundreds of civilians there, would it be ethical (regardless of their laws) for them to retaliate towards our country as a whole?
 
moxie said:
Ah, but my point is, if a group of militant civilian Americans went to Afghanistan and killed hundreds of civilians there, would it be ethical (regardless of their laws) for them to retaliate towards our country as a whole?
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ethics are based on law.

But from my POV: no.

That's like asking if a bunch of Target employees got together on their free time and fire-bombed a house, should we ban Target stores?
 
Let's just agree to dissagree on some of these points of our military involvement and let this thread get back to discussing Ron Paul. :D
 
What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict?

What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think?
 
From the little bit i can fine right now..he's correct in some areas. Appeasement only encourages an enemy..the only way to quell an enemy is to fight it head on. ah the book is free..downloading and reading..:)
 
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I don't know who Obadiah Shoher is...

AlexZello, welcome to the forums. I suggest starting a new thread like this, considering your post was completely off base from this thread's main topic. No big deal, just a FYI.
 
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