I'm voting for Ron Paul

[Atown]

Actually i think if hilary gets into the final race, there will be enough people in the midwest and apalache that dont believe in women presidents and will be a bit easier to defeat than obama. A Godly president? our best bet is sadly Mitt if you want to go on pure principles. Mitt and huckabee look pretty good but for me its a process of elimination down to huckabee, and huckchuck facts was the sealer for me.

 

[Hescominsoon]

this may be ignorant but for Afghanistan:

baloney. The war is unconstitutional. We never declared war therefore there is no war therefore we should not be there. Waving 9/11 around like that is ridiculous.

Read the constitution i posted earlier.

 

[Hescominsoon]

and thats why i said we cant leave now, mostly because in 2-5 years you could say "well we ousted hussein and then let the terrorists run free in the middle east or, yeah north korea now has nuclear arms now that our presence isnt there anymore, its all our faults"

i know its a lose lose situation, but lets try and make the most of it we can, and by leaving everywhere at the same time wont do that.

Also we cannot be held sole responsible for hussiens actions. yes we put him into power but no one really figured he would gas his own people. we cannot be held responsible for his actions and orders.

with the taliban, they won the coin toss and elected to receive, and we held them responsible for their decisions.

oh yes we can..it's very easy..the president orders the troops home. We are not to run other countries..that's for them to do. We have tried this before..Vietnam..and guess what? things are no different there than when we left. All those men went over on the orders of our president..fought bravely, many died. Same for billy bob's kosovo attempt.

 

[Atown]

even though war was declared on us??

 

[tjguitarz]

A Godly president? our best bet is sadly Mitt if you want to go on pure principles.

Mitt Romney is a mormon, therefore a cultist. I would not classify him as a Godly person, but a deceived one.

Edit: I know nothing of Romney's principles and haven't looked at him at all as a candidate. I don't see him having any chance whatsoever in the first place. I just though it important to clarify what being a mormon truly means.

 

[Hescominsoon]

even though war was declared on us??

i don't care about what others do..our constitution specifically states(i'll even quote it for those who choose not to read it),

" To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;"

We have not declared war on anyone..therefore according to the constitution there is no war...therefore..the troops need tog et out. If you want to troops there get your congresspeople to actually declare war. It's very simple...

 

[Atown]

Mitt Romney is a mormon, therefore a cultist. I would not classify him as a Godly person, but a deceived one.

Edit: I know nothing of Romney's principles and haven't looked at him at all as a candidate. I don't see him having any chance whatsoever in the first place.

actually unless your going to look at a constitutionalist solely, Romney is the most impressive republican out there right now. listen to some youtube, hes very good at talking and can hold america to more "christian" principles than any of the others imo

Yeah HCS, but we cant change what was decided and how it was done. I think we should have just nuked em and use the "i win" button, but we decided to be more humane and cut out a middle step in the mean time. plus u keep talking about the same constitution that people manipulate into blocking Christianity from public schools.

lets take this a step further, the patriot act. sure it was against the constitution when it first came out, but with revisions made i see nothing wrong with it. ron paul is a fine guy, but even then there really is no chance even remotely democratic people are going to side with him, and we lose the middle ground and the election.

and HCS, ive read the constitution multiple times and have copies around my house for good measure, and yes i did read your statement earlier.

 

[Hescominsoon]

the patriot act is totally unconstitutional solely based on the roles the gov't has given itself over the years. The long term existence of something unconstitutional does not make it constitutional and therefore the laws that protect it are also unconstitutional on the same grounds.

talk is one thing..what is his political record? That's the area Paul stand head and shoulders above the rest.

BTW how can a cultist hold Christian values? They can't as they aren't following Christian teachings.

Head here and listen to the moromnism week. It's very revealing what mormons actually believe. It's a far cry from Christiananity..

 

[tjguitarz]

Alright, to add one more log to the fire, here's this question. Won't pulling troops out of Iraq (and maybe a few other countries) cause not only a terrorist-controlled regime, but a lot of violence to go along with it? Won't people die if we simply slip out without a second glance? Sure, maybe it wasn't constitutionally correct to go in there the first place, but we did, and now that we're there how can we just say goodbye knowing more people could (and will) die?

 

[Atown]

the patriot act is totally unconstitutional solely based on the roles the gov't has given itself over the years. The long term existence of something unconstitutional does not make it constitutional and therefore the laws that protect it are also unconstitutional on the same grounds.

talk is one thing..what is his political record? That's the area Paul stand head and shoulders above the rest.

BTW how can a cultist hold Christian values? They can't as they aren't following Christian teachings.

Head here and listen to the moromnism week. It's very revealing what mormons actually believe. It's a far cry from Christiananity..

haha, i listened to the first one and i lol'ed . I know their not real christians. imo when they go door to door i would rather hear about getting my own planet than some kingdom on earth lol. some of my friends back home are mormons so im very familar with their beliefs. But theres a difference between most of america and you (hcs) and myself: we actually read and make ourselves knowledgeable. most of America is ignorant to these things.

 

[Kidan]

Alright, to add one more log to the fire, here's this question. Won't pulling troops out of Iraq (and maybe a few other countries) cause not only a terrorist-controlled regime, but a lot of violence to go along with it? Won't people die if we simply slip out without a second glance? Sure, maybe it wasn't constitutionally correct to go in there the first place, but we did, and now that we're there how can we just say goodbye knowing more people could (and will) die?

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

This may seem harsh - but, so? People will die if we stay, people will die if we go.

 

[Captain_Tea]

baloney. The war is unconstitutional. We never declared war therefore there is no war therefore we should not be there. Waving 9/11 around like that is ridiculous.

Read the constitution i posted earlier.

Congress passed the 'Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002' which did exactly what it says. It basically declared war without the use of the word "war" in its title.

As far as the troops in Iraq go, to think we can pull out now is absurd. If we leave now there's no telling what will happen. We have Christian brothers and sisters in Iraq that are free to practice their faith for the first time in a long time. If more muslim radicals get in there there's no telling what will happen to them. We need to finish what we started or all the lives that have been lost will be for nothing. We need to maintain a military presence there to ensure that the government is stable before we can just leave.

We still have a military presence in Germany and Japan and look how long its been since WWII. There was all sorts of terrorist type activity in those countries for a long time after WWII, the only difference is that back then the media wasn't trying to turn it into a political vehicle like what we see today. I am sure that we will maintain troops in Iraq for many decades to come.

 

[|CoR|Braveheart]

Mitt Romney is a mormon, therefore a cultist. I would not classify him as a Godly person, but a deceived one.

Edit: I know nothing of Romney's principles and haven't looked at him at all as a candidate. I don't see him having any chance whatsoever in the first place. I just though it important to clarify what being a mormon truly means.

Thank you, if any one thinks Mitt is a "Godly person" needs to think. the only way he is a "Godly person" is if you believe in Mormonism...and Mormonism is incorrect thus even if you do believe in Mormonism both you and mitt are wrong in every way you look at it.

 

[Atown]

Thank you, if any one thinks Mitt is a "Godly person" needs to think. the only way he is a "Godly person" is if you believe in Mormonism...and Mormonism is incorrect thus even if you do believe in Mormonism both you and mitt are wrong in every way you look at it.

So him believing in the 10 commandments is wrong?

Braveheart, be more careful with statements like the above. Theres a good point in there but it needs to be worded a little better. Words like stupid, wrong, and idiot as examples and others carry alot of weight that you need to be careful with.

 

[Hescominsoon]

Congress passed the 'Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002' which did exactly what it says. It basically declared war without the use of the word "war" in its title.

As far as the troops in Iraq go, to think we can pull out now is absurd. If we leave now there's no telling what will happen. We have Christian brothers and sisters in Iraq that are free to practice their faith for the first time in a long time. If more muslim radicals get in there there's no telling what will happen to them. We need to finish what we started or all the lives that have been lost will be for nothing. We need to maintain a military presence there to ensure that the government is stable before we can just leave.

We still have a military presence in Germany and Japan and look how long its been since WWII. There was all sorts of terrorist type activity in those countries for a long time after WWII, the only difference is that back then the media wasn't trying to turn it into a political vehicle like what we see today. I am sure that we will maintain troops in Iraq for many decades to come.

The law is unconstitutional and therefore illegal and therefore has no bearing in reality. Unfortunately congress continues to try to abdicate their responsibilities..and the reason they can do thi is most of hte American public buys into the various lies that have been put out..that and the total abdication of our own responsibility in being caretakers of hte nation through our votes.

 

[Hescominsoon]

So him believing in the 10 commandments is wrong?

Braveheart, be more careful with statements like the above. Theres a good point in there but it needs to be worded a little better. Words like stupid, wrong, and idiot as examples and others carry alot of weight that you need to be careful with.

listen to the morminism link i posted dude. Mormonism's beliefs in words maybe Christian but their actual beliefs are far from what their pretty words say. Brave has it exactly right.

 

[Atown]

end of page 5 i posted my thoughts

haha, i listened to the first one and i lol'ed . I know their not real christians. imo when they go door to door i would rather hear about getting my own planet than some kingdom on earth lol. some of my friends back home are mormons so im very familar with their beliefs. But theres a difference between most of america and you (hcs) and myself: we actually read and make ourselves knowledgeable. most of America is ignorant to these things.

 

[Captain_Tea]

The law is unconstitutional and therefore illegal and therefore has no bearing in reality. Unfortunately congress continues to try to abdicate their responsibilities..and the reason they can do thi is most of hte American public buys into the various lies that have been put out..that and the total abdication of our own responsibility in being caretakers of hte nation through our votes.

Our legislators don't care about the constitution unless it furthers their own personal or political agenda.

 

[The Mighty Gerbil]

Congress passed the 'Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002' which did exactly what it says. It basically declared war without the use of the word "war" in its title.

As far as the troops in Iraq go, to think we can pull out now is absurd. If we leave now there's no telling what will happen. We have Christian brothers and sisters in Iraq that are free to practice their faith for the first time in a long time. If more muslim radicals get in there there's no telling what will happen to them. We need to finish what we started or all the lives that have been lost will be for nothing. We need to maintain a military presence there to ensure that the government is stable before we can just leave.

We still have a military presence in Germany and Japan and look how long its been since WWII. There was all sorts of terrorist type activity in those countries for a long time after WWII, the only difference is that back then the media wasn't trying to turn it into a political vehicle like what we see today. I am sure that we will maintain troops in Iraq for many decades to come.

I agree with your statement (so don't feel alone in it). I don't have time to reply in depth and my reply would get far beyond a Ron Paul thread as well. I will only say an isolationist policy is neither morally or historical viable. So many people have changed their stance on the war in Iraq and I remain mystified as to the reason. I can only conjecture, that going into it, they where uneducated on the history of similar conflicts cost and outcomes.

 

[Hescominsoon]

Our legislators don't care about the constitution unless it furthers their own personal or political agenda.

that is why we as Americans need to get active in our gov't. Too many folks have forgotten it's our gov't..not the govt's govt.