Hescominsoon
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I'm voting for Ron Paul
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vibrokatana
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I got 1 year free with 1and1 awhile ago, I think I used it for like 2 weeks... The servers were so overfilled the website would time out every few minutes...with 1 person browsing it.
I am on the lowest VPS @ vr.org atm. No web based administration included, but I don't need any...
I was talking to my parents and they raised an interesting point about Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy and the military. He wants to bring all our troops home, from all 130 countries we are in. Can someone clarify to me why this is a good thing? Wouldn't our lack of military presence in some countries cause problems?
moxie
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QFT!
Both parties have good and bad, and Jesus wouldn't "side" with either of him. One thing that annoys me greatly is how in the past 15 years or so the Republicans have all of a sudden become "God's Party". Honestly, vote whichever way you please and for whatever candidate you want, but don't claim any party as having a monopoly on God or Christianity. That's a dangerous road to walk down, and it's exactly the kind of thing that has started wars in the name of religion.
IMO, Neither party truly "gets" Christian values... I would highly recommend a book called Gods Politics by Jim Wallis in regards to how neither party really lines up with Christian values. Sojourners.com (Wallis' organization) is another interesting resource to look at, in so far as how politics, religion, and social issues collide.
Hescominsoon
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we don't have a need to have troops in 130 countries. His stance si the billions spent on these bases is better spent at home instead of throwing money all over the world on bases. Head to ron paul's site and listen to him in his own words..don't rely on others to tell you.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/
I checked out his essays, but I couldn't find specific information on the troops in 130 countries. Can you get out your flashlight and show me?
Hescominsoon
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|CoR|Braveheart
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If i could vote i would vote for Mike Huckabee.
Baron Squirrel
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I am still uncertain of who i am voting for, however, i do know who i am not voting for. I am not voting for Mike Huckabee. As i said in the other political thread, i live in Arkansas. I lived through Huckabee's reign in office. he was not a good governor, i do not believe he would be a good president. He is a preacher, not a pastor. (yes, there's a BIG difference)
Hmm, still not all the answers I was hoping for. I guess I am looking for specific examples of what countries we are in, and specific amounts of money we are spending.
Does he give you the ee-bee-gee-bees too? Something about him really bothers me. You said he wouldn't make a good president. Why not?
|CoR|Braveheart
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*Pats squirrel on head* i agree, pastors should run churches not Country's.
Kidan
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Well here's the state department's report on it from 2000 (for 1999) and we've just spent more money and gotten into more countries. Additionally that report does not include all those military bases that we're leasing from countries around the world.
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[toj.cc]phantom
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...but get a biased opinion right off his website.
this may be ignorant but for Afghanistan:
and for Iraq;
Of course...he wasn't killing Americans, so it wasn't our problem right...I think we said the same thing about Hitler.
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Kidan
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phantom - actually, both of those atrocities are our own fault.
We trained Al'qeada .
We trained the Baathists.
We helped Hussein to power.
We've propped up the Suadi aristocracy
We've been playing in the Arabian world for decades now, and every time we do, it just ends up coming back to bite us in the behind.
Ultimately though, our nation was founded on a non-interventionist principle. We cannot afford to police the world, nor should it be our purpose to do so. Our armed forces should be used to protect American interests. How exactly is the "War on Terror" helping American interests? All I see are additional troops going overseas, billions in costs, and an obscene amount of "security" here states side. Additionally, there is the lack of official declarations of war against these two nations indicated.
Then, there's the fact that we've not changed anything. Terrorists are still out there, and still getting trained. It's hardwired into their religion and culture--which in our PC-dominated world, are the two things we're not allowed to attack. They're fighting a holy war while we're fighting a secular one.
In the end, our dollar is based on wishes rather than a type of hard currency. We've got billions in debt to foreign nations, while at the same time, we've allowed those who owed us money to forgo paying those debts for the past 50+ years. We spend millions upon millions of dollars on international organizations, when most of the members of those organizations just want to destroy our way of life.
and as for biased opinions - EVERYONE has biased opinions, because everyone has biases. And if someone tries to write an 'unbiased' report, it's still biased because the source material will be biased. It's your job, as a voter, to read through the biases and compare what the politician is saying against what the Constitution says.
Can you find a politician besides Ron Paul who is even coming close to taking a Constitutional stance on all of the issues?
We trained Al'qeada .
We trained the Baathists.
We helped Hussein to power.
We've propped up the Suadi aristocracy
We've been playing in the Arabian world for decades now, and every time we do, it just ends up coming back to bite us in the behind.
Ultimately though, our nation was founded on a non-interventionist principle. We cannot afford to police the world, nor should it be our purpose to do so. Our armed forces should be used to protect American interests. How exactly is the "War on Terror" helping American interests? All I see are additional troops going overseas, billions in costs, and an obscene amount of "security" here states side. Additionally, there is the lack of official declarations of war against these two nations indicated.
Then, there's the fact that we've not changed anything. Terrorists are still out there, and still getting trained. It's hardwired into their religion and culture--which in our PC-dominated world, are the two things we're not allowed to attack. They're fighting a holy war while we're fighting a secular one.
In the end, our dollar is based on wishes rather than a type of hard currency. We've got billions in debt to foreign nations, while at the same time, we've allowed those who owed us money to forgo paying those debts for the past 50+ years. We spend millions upon millions of dollars on international organizations, when most of the members of those organizations just want to destroy our way of life.
and as for biased opinions - EVERYONE has biased opinions, because everyone has biases. And if someone tries to write an 'unbiased' report, it's still biased because the source material will be biased. It's your job, as a voter, to read through the biases and compare what the politician is saying against what the Constitution says.
Can you find a politician besides Ron Paul who is even coming close to taking a Constitutional stance on all of the issues?
and thats why i said we cant leave now, mostly because in 2-5 years you could say "well we ousted hussein and then let the terrorists run free in the middle east or, yeah north korea now has nuclear arms now that our presence isnt there anymore, its all our faults"
i know its a lose lose situation, but lets try and make the most of it we can, and by leaving everywhere at the same time wont do that.
Also we cannot be held sole responsible for hussiens actions. yes we put him into power but no one really figured he would gas his own people. we cannot be held responsible for his actions and orders.
with the taliban, they won the coin toss and elected to receive, and we held them responsible for their decisions.
i know its a lose lose situation, but lets try and make the most of it we can, and by leaving everywhere at the same time wont do that.
Also we cannot be held sole responsible for hussiens actions. yes we put him into power but no one really figured he would gas his own people. we cannot be held responsible for his actions and orders.
with the taliban, they won the coin toss and elected to receive, and we held them responsible for their decisions.
|CoR|Braveheart
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We cannot leave Iraq now, sure that would be great if the war stopped like that but it's not going to. the only way it will end is if we fight to the death. and we are not dead nor are our enemies.
No. Why do we need a military presence in other countries? Why should we be the police of the world? Government should protect its own people, not other people. That is what their government is for.
One could argue that it is humanitarian to offer military aid to some countries, but our military is funded by taxes, and it is immoral to *force* people to give up their money to police other countries when the role of government, strictly defined, has nothing to do with other countries.
Besides, would we want communist China to build military bases across the contiguous US in the middle of our cities? I doubt that very much.
One of our large overseas military bases in Okinawa occupies a huge amount of prime real estate in the middle of a downtown area. It has its own private 18-hole golf course, movie theater, and bowling alley specifically for the entertainment of the servicemen alone. And I have to ask, WHY? There's no good reason to have it. Okinawa hasn't been the site of military conflict in years, and they're plenty capable of taking care of themselves. It's just there wasting both our tax dollars and the precious natural resources of the Okinawan citizens.
Furthermore, there was quite an outrage there several years ago when one serviceman was caught beating and sexually assaulting a 12-year-old girl there. Instead of being tried and convicted by the local government, he was sheltered by the military base and escaped punishment entirely.
And that's just one of our bases. And we have hundreds of them across the globe. And then we wonder why some cultures want to wage war against us.
Anyone who's interested in this sort of issue, I urge you to read Blowback by Chalmers Johnson. I've read it and I can personally recommend it.
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vibrokatana
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The problem IMO is that the government does not give power back, it just keeps trying to grab more and more. Spending keeps going up, inflation keeps going up and congress refuses to do anything about it.
Captain_Tea
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Our military presence has less to do with policing the world and more to do with logistics.
I have been reading about Ron Paul and I like his stance on many issues. My fear is that outside of an act of divine intervention he has about as good of a chance of getting elected as I do.
Lets face it the odds of us getting a good godly president this time around isn't very good.