Reco Suave said:
quoting scriptures and such is just plain crazy. It is just a game.
Clearly this was directed at me since I'm the only one who's done that so here are a few points.
First I fail to see how relating scripture to our behavior in game is crazy. It may be a game, but game or not, our faith has a lot to say about how we behave, and if we are indeed a christian group, our actions should be guided by the standards which God has given us in the Bible. How is that crazy?
Secondly, you may indeed be paying to play the game, but if you want to concern yourself entirely with your own enjoyment and not worry about others', than I believe that you should remain unguilded. Being a part of a guild means being willing to make a few sacrifices if it's necessary to maintain the stability of the guild. Analogy: like an MMO you pay money to go into a movie theater and enjoy yourself. However, just cus you payed money and you're there for enjoyment doesn't mean that you don't have to follow some guidelines. For example just because kicking the occupied seat in front of you increases your enjoyment doesn't mean that you get to do it. In the same way, just because you're out to enjoy yourself in WoW doesn't meant that you can to so at the expense of your guildies.
Reco Suave said:
Everyone has their personal goals and we must respect whatever it is that makes this game fun to them.
Not if it causes strife for the guild we don't. The officers have a responsibility to consider the needs of the entire guild, and if one person's version of fun is causing strife for everyone else, the problem needs to be resolved one way or the other. As you said yourself, to be successful, the desires of the guild must me as closely aligned as possible. To that end, those who step out of line must be dealt with either by altering their behavior, or by removing them. The entire guild cannot cowtow to a handful of loot hungry members, it is the loot hungerers who need to either change or leave.
Reco Suave said:
As far as the guild goes from what I have seen is that this is a casual gamer guild.
While it is true that many of our players (including myself) don't spend hours logged on every day, I think it's fair to say that the majority of our guild would like to raid without having to leave. At this point it's more a matter of numbers rather then a lack of desire. After all, look at how many of our 60s were in MC on friday.
Reco Suave said:
It also takes a core group of hardcore players that are on at least 30 or so hours a week.
Where does it say that you have to spend +20 hours weekly playing when you're not raiding? Sure you might need to farm up some gold for repairs and mats for pots, but that hardly requires you to spend 4 hours a day.
Well that's all, nothing personal or anything, just wanted to present an alternative view.