Dark Virtue
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Could you be a bit more specific in this question? It's a bit open ended.[b said:Quote[/b] (The Penguin Slayer @ Oct. 15 2004,6:52)]DV, do you indeed believe in Absolutes?
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Could you be a bit more specific in this question? It's a bit open ended.[b said:Quote[/b] (The Penguin Slayer @ Oct. 15 2004,6:52)]DV, do you indeed believe in Absolutes?
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God has also answered numerous prayers of mine. I can give you a first hand account of these if you wish.
I would LOVE to hear some accounts of your prayers. I'd love to hear about the prayers that WEREN'T answered. I'm willing to bet (my eternal life) that you have more UNanswered prayers than answered.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]You have just stated the premise of anarchy.
The beginning may be similar by they take drastically different paths. Anarchy keeps the notion of the individual above all else. There is an absense of morality in anarchy. Please read my other posts, they will shed light on the situation.
For instance:
Humans are social animals who can make the greatest achievements through mutual cooperation
You can't have mutual cooperation in anarchy.
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I would LOVE to hear some accounts of your prayers. I'd love to hear about the prayers that WEREN'T answered. I'm willing to bet (my eternal life) that you have more UNanswered prayers than answered.
[b said:Quote[/b] ] Judges 6:1 Then the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD. So the LORD delivered them into the hand of Midian for seven years.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]The beginning may be similar by they take drastically different paths. Anarchy keeps the notion of the individual above all else. There is an absense of morality in anarchy. Please read my other posts, they will shed light on the situation.
For instance:
Humans are social animals who can make the greatest achievements through mutual cooperation
You can't have mutual cooperation in anarchy.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Can individuals not work mutually for the cause of immorality?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]John 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask Me what you desire and it shall be done for you.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]But the very act of those individuals working together negates anarchy.
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[b said:Quote[/b] ][b said:Quote[/b] ]John 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask Me what you desire and it shall be done for you.
Do you abide in the Lord?
[b said:Quote[/b] ][b said:Quote[/b] ]But the very act of those individuals working together negates anarchy.
Anarchy has nothing to do with the absense of cooperation; it has to do with the absense of leadership. (The suffix "a" or "an" meaning "no" or "without" and "archy" meaning "leader"). In the case of subjective morality, the evil of yesterday can soon become the good of today, and vice versa. Because of this, there is no absolute; no leadership, therefore deeming the establishment as anarchy.
I refer to anarchy as an establishment that makes up what is right and wrong as they go. Is prejudice towards blacks and women right today? No.[b said:Quote[/b] (Dark Virtue @ Oct. 15 2004,8:31)]Are you referring to Anarchy as a form of government or as a form of morality? They are a bit different.
As far as subjective morality goes, look at the US government. At one point in time, blacks and women had little to no rights. That was a MORAL judgement. Times changed and the evil of yesterday becomes the good of today, blacks and women now have rights and are treated as equals. Does that mean we live under a system of anarchy? Of course not, there is still leadership, there is just no moral absolute. It's fluid, flexible. It allows for change.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]To say that morality is nothing more than what we choose to make of it is to undermine the very significance of human life.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Subjective morality is anarchy.
[b said:Quote[/b] ][b said:Quote[/b] ]To say that morality is nothing more than what we choose to make of it is to undermine the very significance of human life.
That is the ESSENCE of human life. To learn from our mistakes and to come together as a people to make ourselves better.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
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Do you then believe that we are living under a state of anarchy? The United States was based upon subjective morality.
Both.[b said:Quote[/b] ]And this morality comes from...? God? The Bible?
The God that sanctioned slavery.[b said:Quote[/b] ]The same God that condoned slavery?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]1 Samuel 2:6 "The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to the grave and brings up."
I will condone whatever God chooses to sanction.[b said:Quote[/b] ]That would mean that, according to the objective morality of the Bible (and since God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow) that YOU would condone slavery as well. Correct?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteouness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Our mistakes were ultimately wrong to begin with! Right and wrong is absolute; we are not.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]The United States was built upon the belief that all men posessed equal rights granted to them by God. I believe that anarchy is on the rise in America.
I don't think anyone 'deems' them; I believe that they just are. No person, no culture, no god decided what was right and what was wrong; it's all based upon the fundamental and intrinsic properties of the human being.[b said:Quote[/b] (Dark Virtue @ Oct. 16 2004,11:02)]How does one learn, if not by mistakes? Our own and by others. If right and wrong are absolutes, what are they? Who deems them?
And that, my friend, is precisely your problem.[b said:Quote[/b] (ByblosHex @ Oct. 16 2004,8:23)]I am the one who Voted No...
Because no matter what anyone says here it will never affect my Faith in Jesus Christ.
I'm going to make that into a bumper sticker![b said:Quote[/b] (ByblosHex @ Oct. 16 2004,9:24)]Im not being hypocritical... im saying I will not listen to anyone but God and I am saying you should do the same.. there is no hypocrosy there.
That is exactly what I just said Rithkil.[b said:Quote[/b] (Rithkil @ Oct. 16 2004,9:39)]That's all Christians jobs. To evangelise. Tell people the truth. Byblos however is not just trying to convert people on this topic. He is saying no matter what people say, he will not change his position between him and God.