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[b said:Quote[/b] (Weazel @ Nov. 09 2004,7:42)]
[b said:Quote[/b] ]You did say humans want to be good all the time, and that most people think that way. I just don't see it. I know I lie, cheat, covet, and do commit whatever other sins you want to throw at me far too often to ever be considered "good".
You're convoluting the topic. Yes, I understand that we all fall short of the mark, we all sin, I'm not saying we don't. I'm saying that we WANT to be good, it's something we strive for. There's a difference between WANTING to be good and messing up occassionally, and WANTING to be evil and committing horrible acts on purpose. Do you lie, cheat, covet, etc because you WANT to? Or do you do those things IN SPITE of wanting to be good?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]But seeing how homosexuality, premarital sex, profanity, and pornography among other things are all being accepted into our culture, it's not hard to see why people think humans are "good".
These things have been a part of society FOREVER, it's not something new. Look at the Greeks and Romans, they condoned plenty of things that we would never think of today.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]I agree, surely he would. And that he did. It is by the Serpent's deception that it all happened. Did not God warn them that they would die from eating from the tree? And didn't Satan trick them by saying they wouldn't die? The message was loud and clear. Man just chose the wrong one.
There's only one person to blame for all of that: God.
God created the serpent knowing full well it would deceive Adam and Eve. God planted the tree in the garden knowing full well they would eat of it. The serpent (there's no evidence to show it was Satan-different topic for another day) lied? Let's take a look.
God said, "Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
The serpent said, "Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."
Adam and Eve ate the fruit, their eyes were opened and they knew good and evil. Did they die IN THAT DAY? Nope, they sure didn't did they? Adam lived like 900 years.
So who was telling fibs in the garden of eden?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]No, man put himself into that plight. Adam and Eve were told the consequences and still disobeyed. They recieved their just punishment.
WRONG. Yes, man committed the sin, but GOD was the one that created the plight and made man fall. God did EVERYTHING to make sure that man fell. God wanted man to fall. If He didn't, He would have made His creation differently. Remember, you're dealing with a being that supposedly has omniscient and omnipotence. God KNEW what was going to happen before it happened, yet He did NOTHING to prevent it. Instead, He put everything in motion to CAUSE it to happen.