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you batting for us kohael? brushing up to defend against the newbies or brush up by challenging us as well?[b said:Quote[/b] (Kohael <PC> @ Sep. 26 2003,4:59)]That sounds like a challange, I think. Very well, I've been meaning to brush up on my Christian philosophy, so it would be an interesting chance to bat for the other team, so to speak. ^_^
[b said:Quote[/b] ] I don't think you will find most of us with aa weak a faith or willing to give up so easy.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]The idea that space and time may form a closed surface without boundary also has profound implications for the role of God in the affairs of the universe. With the success of scientific theories in describing events, most people have come to believe that God allows the universe to evolve according to a set of laws. He does not seem to intervene in the universe to break these laws. However, the laws do not tell us what the universe should have looked like when it started. It would still be up to God to wind up the clockwork and choose how to start it off. So long as the universe had a beginning that was a singularity, one could suppose that it was created by an outside agency. But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would neither be created nor destroyed. It would simply be. What place then, for a creator?
[b said:Quote[/b] (Thaddius @ Sep. 26 2003,6:31)]
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Is that what this is about Timor? Medjai and friends managed to sway you away from Christianity (assuming you were a Christain in the first place) so you brought them here to try and sway us as well?
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I'm not sure what your using as the comparative here, but in my book, there isnt an athiest yet who can give a convincing arguement.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Christians often talk of atheists and other infidels as having "hardened hearts", so heardened that they will never "come to Christ" and "be saved". I think the same applies for Christians. They so rigidly and steadfastly believe in ONE thing, Christianity, and will do anything to defend it, twist any logic they must, bend or break and rule they must, and doublethink their way through life as much as they must, just so they do not lose that hope for some greater life after this one.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]"People are stupid. They can be made to believe a lie, either because they wish it to be true, or they fear it to be true."
[b said:Quote[/b] ]You see, there are many, many more sides to the issue than two. This isn't a coin toss between Christianity and Atheism. It's a dice roll between atheism and every single religion known to man, past AND present (cuz who's to say Zeus isn't sitting up on Mt. Olympus..?)
How is that irrelevant?[b said:Quote[/b] (Thaddius @ Sep. 27 2003,11:09)]Not really, for me there is only two sides. Belief in Christ, or not. There is no in between. Since you come to a Christian board, seeking the arguement, this should be a given. You keep trying to be comparative to other religions, which is irrrelevent.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Not true. You can't simply eliminate all other sides
[b said:Quote[/b] ]So by your reasoning, there should really be only 1 possibility.
Very true.[b said:Quote[/b] (Thaddius @ Sep. 27 2003,2:10)]Either you a Christian, or your not, there is no inbetween.
You've used pascal's wager, which is imcomplete. The point is to analyze all possibilities to gain a better understanding of the situation. But you have intentionally excluded some possibilities in order to favor the outcome you desire. Doing so makes your analysis unproduction and pointless.[b said:Quote[/b] ]1. What happens to me when I die if I am wrong?
2. What happens to you when you die if you are wrong?
Not really, for me there is only two sides. Belief in Christ, or not. There is no in between. Since you come to a Christian board, seeking the arguement, this should be a given. You keep trying to be comparative to other religions, which is irrrelevent.
That is one of the few insults that actually bothers me; the assumption that I was never a Christian.[b said:Quote[/b] (Kidan @ Sep. 27 2003,8:47)]BigJ--you just need to believe. But this belief, and the resulting walk with Christ, will change how you behave.