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[b said:Quote[/b] ]Come on, now. If there was conclusive proof God exists, why is there such a high number of people who doubt God? Why is there so much division and disagreement WITHIN the religion, nevermind without
[b said:Quote[/b] ]To not believe in God or a creator means you don't believe in anything. DV told me so.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]That's because in a world with no God, there is no hope.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]WHy should we wenter into the belief of hopelessness, or the state of hopelessness.
Sheesh, are you listening to anything we say Rithkil?[b said:Quote[/b] (Rithkil @ Oct. 20 2004,5:06)][b said:Quote[/b] ]Come on, now. If there was conclusive proof God exists, why is there such a high number of people who doubt God? Why is there so much division and disagreement WITHIN the religion, nevermind without
To not believe in God or a creator means you don't believe in anything. DV told me so. If you don't believe in anything how can you be consistent? If you outrightly push away the idea of the existence of a creator, that is stubborn. You say we are stubborn for not changing our ways. That's because in a world with no God, there is no hope. WHy should we wenter into the belief of hopelessness, or the state of hopelessness.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]I NEVER SAID THAT!
[b said:Quote[/b] ]I have also said that this isn't true. Guess what Rithkil, THERE IS HOPE WITHOUT A GOD. It's as simple as that. Atheists have hope, to say otherwise is a lie.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]So your belief in God is founded on the fear of not wanting to have nothing to believe in? You're right, that IS sad.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Sheesh, are you listening to anything we say Rithkil?
To not believe in a creator does NOT mean that you believe in nothing.
'Consistency' is NOT dependent upon faith.
There is no 'pushing away' in atheism; we disbelieve in god because of evidence and the lack of it.
There IS hope without god. Atheists are not hopeless depressives. Case in point, ME.
[b said:Quote[/b] (Rithkil @ Oct. 22 2004,10:21)]
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Yes you did. You said athiesm is not a belief system. Maybe I didn't say exactly what I meant. You said athiesm was not a belief system. I guess I didn't explain enough.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Of course you have hope. Cause there IS a God. In a world with no God, or nobody to hold every aspect of life together, there is no hope. I NEVER said YOU personally had no hope.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Uh, you got it all wrong. You could say that about any religion. Our belief in God is founded on our relationship with Jesus Christ.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]To say there is hope without a God is not true.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Yes, I did say that atheism is not a belief system, that is true. HOWEVER, I NEVER said, "To not believe in God or a creator means you don't believe in anything". THAT is what you tried to attribute to me and that is incorrect.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]You misunderstood. We have hope APART from God. WITHOUT God. ASIDE from God. We have hope IN SPITE of God. We do not need to have God to have hope in this life.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Fear is a HUGE motivator, people here on this board have said that time and time again. Sorry, but some of us will not be frightened into believing in the unexplainable. I do not need to believe in an afterlife to be happy here and now. YOU don't need that either, but it's EASIER to do so. It's easier to believe in things that can't be explained.
Exactly why is this not true? I will only respect your beliefs if your beliefs are grounded on some sort of reason and logic. I hold myself to that same standard. So please, explain to me why hope without God is not TRUE and not just your opinion.Okay, I am not motivated by fear. Of all people, you should be. But that's just my OPINION again *hint hint*
Okay, I think you need a few things cleared up. You say I believe in God if I am assured an AFTERLIFE. No. Everybody lives for eternity. It just matters where.What is holding everything together if there is no creator or God? How could we exist if we were created by chance? How could all 200 parameters of life be met by chance?
Now your turn. If athiesm is not a belief system, and you do believe in something, what do you believe in? What athiestic threory do you STRONGLY believe in DV? How do you think the universe was created?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]What is holding everything together if there is no creator or God? How could we exist if we were created by chance? How could all 200 parameters of life be met by chance?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Now your turn. If athiesm is not a belief system, and you do believe in something, what do you believe in? What athiestic threory do you STRONGLY believe in DV? How do you think the universe was created?
[b said:Quote[/b] ]This doesn't answer the question. You have merely stated your opinion, you did not prove a TRUTH as you so claimed. That one cannot have hope without God. So please, try again.
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Guess what? I don't know. MANY people don't know. I am following logical protocols by removing theories which aren't true. There is no evidence to support a God so I don't believe in that. Scientific evidence has poked huge, gaping holes in Darwinian evolution, so I don't believe in that either. I am not afraid to stand in front of you and say I DON'T KNOW.