World without Beliefs

Time? I dont think so, I dont know when the lord is going to come back, when the one world government will be instituded, or anything like that. I do know people have been saying it for Thousdands of years and they have all been wrong, so to say it now odds are against you
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Quote[/b] (www_rlxc_com @ Oct. 07 2003,9:01)]    Separation of Church and State is nowhere in our Constitution, and there is NO law that states "Separation of Church and State", it is more or less made up in our minds. I am for a Christian government. I am not really for illegalization of other religions, but I would be for teaching against them in school.

     Movements like the Homosexual Agenda, Feminist movement, and many "equality" movements are only designed to give them special rights. And to degrade the moral foundation this country was founded on.
"Seperation of Church and State" was a Supreme Court decision. Unless the Supremes decide differently, that is the interpretation of the "No Establishment" clause of the Bill of Rights.

Also, just out of curiosity...which "Christian" government would you support? Pentacostal? Baptist? Roman Catholic? I mean, other than believing in Christ...there are significant differences.

Finally, do you support everyone having the same rights? Or (pardon the Animal Farm reference) are some animals more equal than others?
 
First off RLXC we are commanded to know when the end times are near. If you look at the prophecies they have just about all been fullfilled so the comming of Messiah to get his church is near. BigJ assuming you are asking everyone I would lean more towerd pentacostal/full gospel. And only the fundamentel things would be enforced so not everyone would have to believe in Yeshua but I certainly wouldent let anyone drink beer if I was running the show, and no gay marriges and so forth. But as I said this is not a theocracy although personall conviction sould influence a democracy. Everyone having the same rights? Well I wouldent allow gays to marry it is wrong and as was pointed out if everyone where gay the human race would cease to exist.
 
one reason people were put on earth.. was to reproduce.. not to be gay...... in my school.. we have a group of "homo-and bisexuals" i use quotations.. cuz i think that half of them are jsut teens in rebellion.. but anyways... they had a day of silence.. to memorate gay people.. my friend john.. made a strait day of silence.. and he got suspended.. he wasnt rude about it.. he just didnt talk.. and when peoepl asked him why.. he wrote down.. its my very own day of silence.... now.. ifi were to make a straight club... gay peopel would get offended.. but i get offended.. when they have gay clubs.. which they do have at my old school.. i am totally opposed to homosexual relationships.. becuase i do not believe.. it is what God wants.. or even that its "true love" ... when peopel are in favor of gay marriages.. because everyone should be treated respectfully... there is somehting wrong.. cuz they are not treating the church respectfully... but..God did say.. that the world would get all weird b4 the rapture... but if we are christians.. we are to stick to our beliefs.. which is.. homosexual realationships.. are wrong
 
It is quite sickening to me how gays get all these things and its ok but yet we get nothing. We offend them it is bad they offend us we are told to shut up. I thought this was about equal rights. What it is is about taking away rights from the rest of us. But we must fight the good fight of faith a stand firm! To those that say it is a free country so they should be able to do these things I say this. What freedom is is the power to do what is right or in another way freedom is to do what you ought not what you want.
 
Here is my stance on that,

  You will NEVER have equal rights, it is impossible. You will ALWAYS be infringing on someone`s rights. I challenge you to come up with a situation that does not do this.

  Anarchy where everyone shared everything and did the same exact job all the time would be the only way to have equal rights. And that would never happen because it would take 1 person to organize and lead 10 others and overtake the anarchist government, and if the anarchist government formed an army, someone would have to "lead" it and then that person would have more power than his followers, thus no longer equal.

  Communism is the closest thing you could ever get to equal rights, and even then someone is in authority, and is thus not equal to those he/she is commanding.

   I am for helping those who believe the same as I do get into possitions of authority so they can help others who believe the same as I do.

    This is not a racist statement, because it has nothing to do with race, I will help a black, white and yellow person get into a possition of authority as long as they believe in the same moral code I beleive in. I would never help a Islamic, or Hindu, or whatever get into a possition of authority, I would help them with food/water if it would open up an opportunity to convert them over to what I beleive in.

     All men were "CREATED" equal, this is true, at birth we were equal, and then as we got older we develope friendships, alliances, or our parents develope them for us, and then we lose equality as we get older. You either go up the ladder or you go down it. You can fight your way UP, or accept where you are. Both are means to a happy, and a world must have a place for both.

you must fight for what you believe, so to answer what denomination/beleif would I have in office. That should be simple, the closest to what I beleive as I can get. I would think everyone would have the same answer, they may just not say it. You too would like a government that believes and supports what YOU do. I will fight for what I beleive is right, and will fight to have our schools do the same

     I have went on long enough, simply put
YOU CANNOT HAVE EQUALALITY
 
but you can.. with God.. i dont care what man thinks.. ser... man is dumb.. and so am i... i do the stupidest things.. but to God.. we ARE equal.. NO MATTER what man says.. who are WE to place status on eachother? so by me.. i am jsut as equal as the enxt person.. now.. this doesn mean.. that we should jsut let people do w/e they want... cuz hey.. its up to God.. but like.. we also need to realize.. that our opinion.. is nothign compared to Gods.. that just dawned on me.. while doi my devotions today
 
My argument was in a worldly sence. To be able to accomplish thing, to help train our children to be God fearing people. To fullfill the great committion of having every nation on earth bow down to our great God.

You can feel equal to everyone around you but it is your experiences that leave you short coming. Life boils down to 2 things, who you know and how you know them. If you dont know anyone with connections, I suggest you go make some new friends.

People in possitions of power/authority need to be bible believing christians, because when they are in authority, they can use there power and influence on those under them. If the President of Pepsi Cola started to take people on the floor(manufacturing class) out fishing and such, those people would be VERY interested in what he had to say. He would have a much higher chance of converting them than a evangalist on TV. Then if they are converted, mentour them and then put them into "management" so they can do the same with those under them.

Life is alot like chess, possition your pieces in strategic places for the best chance of winning.
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 07 2003,3:26)]BigJ assuming you are asking everyone I would lean more towerd pentacostal/full gospel. And only the fundamentel things would be enforced so not everyone would have to believe in Yeshua but I certainly wouldent let anyone drink beer if I was running the show, and no gay marriges and so forth. But as I said this is not a theocracy although personall conviction sould influence a democracy. Everyone having the same rights? Well I wouldent allow gays to marry it is wrong and as was pointed out if everyone where gay the human race would cease to exist.
What the heck is wrong with beer? Just beer or wine too? (I am assuming that it would include spirits)

(and yes, I was asking everybody)

Interesting...so how would you feel if the Roman Catholics took over and made it a theocracy? (yes, I am serious.)
 
ok, i don't really have a say in *this* conversation, but i'd just like to take this oppurtunity to kindly and respectfully ask pyro to stop raping his "." button
 
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Quote[/b] (www_rlxc_com @ Oct. 08 2003,1:33)]My argument was in a worldly sence. To be able to accomplish thing, to help train our children to be God fearing people. To fullfill the great committion of having every nation on earth bow down to our great God.
Just a point...but you do realize that that is Islam's goal too?
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 07 2003,3:39)]It is quite sickening to me how gays get all these things and its ok but yet we get nothing. We offend them it is bad they offend us we are told to shut up. I thought this was about equal rights. What it is is about taking away rights from the rest of us. But we must fight the good fight of faith a stand firm! To those that say it is a free country so they should be able to do these things I say this. What freedom is is the power to do what is right or in another way freedom is to do what you ought not what you want.
Hey, I am very much in favor of you having the right to pray in school. The problem is...I do have a problem with you forcing me to pray.

Why do you need school sponsored/led prayer?
 
as long as there are tests there will always be prayer, but I agree that it should not be forced...but on the other hand it should not be with held either.
 
BigJ,

I would fight as hardly to keep Roman catholic doctrine out of the school as i would if Islam tried getting there teachings in school, to me there is not difference in False doctrine.

I realize Islams Goal, which only adds value to my goal of a christian government. You may not be christian, or like the idea of us christians in your government, but Choose this, Christians that give you SOME choices of religion(or atleast the choice to not go if you dont want to) or an Islamic government that Gives islamics special Highways(Saudi Arabia has this)

We are in a battle, Choose a side. I do not think many aithiest are willing to strap a bomb onto themself and blow themself up for there beleifs, but islamics ARE that dedicated, us Christians are smart enough to realize we can blow up a building without using our bodies to do it
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, aka a timer on the bomb.


When the end of the day comes, it will be the more dedicated team that wins.

Islam is our enemy, and we must fight it at all costs, and I plan on starting that battle. Give me some young peoples minds, and an army of spiritual warriors will be forged. thats why I own a gaming center
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Quote[/b] (CCGR @ Oct. 08 2003,3:13)]as long as there are tests there will always be prayer, but I agree that it should not be forced...but on the other hand it should not be with held either.
rofl! good one Cheryll! Am I the only one who caught that?
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Quote[/b] (Big J @ Oct. 08 2003,2:57)]
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 07 2003,3:26)]BigJ assuming you are asking everyone I would lean more towerd pentacostal/full gospel. And only the fundamentel things would be enforced so not everyone would have to believe in Yeshua but I certainly wouldent let anyone drink beer if I was running the show, and no gay marriges and so forth. But as I said this is not a theocracy although personall conviction sould influence a democracy. Everyone having the same rights? Well I wouldent allow gays to marry it is wrong and as was pointed out if everyone where gay the human race would cease to exist.
What the heck is wrong with beer?  Just beer or wine too?  (I am assuming that it would include spirits)

(and yes, I was asking everybody)

Interesting...so how would you feel if the Roman Catholics took over and made it a theocracy?  (yes, I am serious.)
I dont believe in drinking it destroys families. I would have no problem with them taking over. So long as they did not make it to where everyone would have to worship and believe as they do. Note I said I would only enforce fundamental beliefes if it where up to me.
 
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Quote[/b] ]I dont believe in drinking it destroys families.

Pop, drinking does not destroy families, but overindulgence in such things can destroy families, mainly addiction regardless of what it is too.  If you would have said alcoholism, I would agree with you.

As for you imposing your will on everyone, I do believe that is why this country was founded, freedom.  You cannot make someone become a Christian because you feel it is right or you impose strict laws and guidlines forcing them to adhere.  If that was the case, you would have a revolution on your hands.

God put out the call.  People will listen and accept, others will not.  God will sort us all in the end.

Cory
 
Drinking leads to alcoholism. So i figure destroy the root and the problem goes away. We are anointed by God and filled with the Spirit of God I assure you we as christians do not need such things.
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 08 2003,9:57)]Drinking leads to alcoholism. So i figure destroy the root and the problem goes away. We are anointed by God and filled with the Spirit of God I assure you we as christians do not need such things.
As Christians computers aren't a requirement either, neither is the internet or any of this modern technology. Neither is the car you get into everyday. Neither is ANY beverage but water. I'll give this statement and the whole alcohol is evil arguement creedence when you eliminate all things that truly aren't needed from your life.

God does provide all we 'need'; however, we as humans desire material possesions and beverages and foods that we enjoy the taste of or the feeling of, that doesn't make you a sinner at all.

Besides it's typically not the drinking that leads to alcoholism as much as some other deeper pyschological problem such as depression which drives people to a release such as drinking to escape their problems. Some people instead chose to escape into computers; however, we seem not to have such a harse view of internet addicts ...
 
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