This is pathetic.

[Jango]

Quote[/b] ]Are they more cryptic? Yup, but not more complex. Are the more insensible? Most definitly, but not more complex. Though of course if by more complex, you mean does it contradict itself repeatedly?

Of course, you are extremely biased.

Quote[/b] ]Look everyone Joseph is determined to twist everything we say..time to simply pray for him....

Prayer is used too harsly now. When some people see something that they think is wrong with a person, they'll go up and say "I'll pray for you." Which of course, is harsh. Detirmened to twist everything? Please, you're exaggerating. Why are you mad at him when he uses the Bible for his debates?

Quote[/b] ]God (in effect) abolished mans responsibilty to administer and apply the Law. God took it back into his hands and will apply the consequences at the Judgement thrown.

Verse please.

 

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I think this thread is going to go on forever.
So lets change the subject, anyone watch any Euro Cup game. I didn't watch the games today, went to San Fransico Store to get inflatable boobs for my buddy's bachelor party. When I cam hoe I found out that they didn't have a strap so I have to make one now. Then I went to the liquor store for beer. I hope beer and paintballing don't clash.
There was Thunder and Lightning in the evening, haven't seen lightning in a long time. Was driving and it scared the crap out of me. But it looked very cool. Oh I also made myself a sandwich. It was pretty good. So is everyone out of school now and enjoying their summer. If I don't get a job by august I'm going to work at the PNE again this year. Well have some email to reply to everyone have a nice day.

 

[Avesther]

Quote[/b] ]Verse please.

I'm sorry, upon reflection, I wasn't clear. Jesus teaches us not to judge. Luke 3:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged." And in order to apply the consequences of Gods law, one must judge. Jesus showed us that we must be sure that, in applying Gods laws, we are in full compliance ourselves. The pharisees tried to trap Jesus in John 8 with the adultress. They claimed the law was to stone her, but the law is to stone both the adulterer and the adulteress (Lev 20:10), not just one or the other and let the other get away. The intent of the pharisees was not to see Gods justice done, rather only to trap Jesus.

This pointed example shows very much that we can not apply Gods law objectively. For example, right now, if I were to judge based on Lev 20:13 (If a man were to sleep with another man as he would a women, put them both to death.) I can not honestly say that I would be ordering their deaths based upon my own bias or based on upon Gods law. I could so very easily use Gods law to justify my actions, which is not right. Gods law is applied to serve Gods justice and Gods glory, not my own agenda.

Jesus makes it clear that we should me more concerned with our walk with him then that of others (Remove the plank from your own eye so you can see better to remove the speck from your brothers).

So, where does this leave us? Will Gods justice every be done? Will God uphold his own laws?

Yes. As Christians, we have allowed the Holy Spirit to search us and judge us and we accept our guilty as charged plea. And we find forgiveness of our sin in accepting the salvation of Jesus Christs death on the cross. We become the adultess, so to speak, in John 8. Accused of committing a sin and having Jesus say, I do not condemn you, go and sin no more and of having Jesus on the cross cry out: Forgive them father, for they do not know what they do.

But, what of those who have not accepted Jesus as their Lord and saviour? Will they not be judged? Yes, Revelation 20:11.

Is that a bit more clearer Jango?