This is pathetic.

[Thaddius]

Quote[/b] (Jango @ June 02 2004,1:45)]Fine, I'll rephrase. Can't a homosexual still be saved?

You mean can a homosexual still be saved?

Yes.

Cory

 

[sealcomm]

well i think the american flag is pretty cool, and it would look funny with a star missing.

by the way, in Australia there have been people trying to turn us into a republic for years, break away from the commonwealth etc. Change our anthem to Waltsing matilda etc. CHANGE OUR FLAG!!

If that ever happens, i'm glad to announce that i will become an american. As you have the second best flag in the world..

lol

sealcomm

 

[MaxX]

Succeding from the country will be quite a feat to pull off. Sure, the constitution permits it, but Congress stopped following it years ago.

 

[Avesther]

The first 8 chapters in Romans are awesome.   They are an account of Paul working through logic, his knowledge of the Law and his Love for Christ Jesus leading up to a battle between living by the Spirit and living in bodage to the law of sin.

There are a few great passages in there:

Romans 7:15

Quote[/b] ]I do not understand what I do.  For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

Romans 7:19

Quote[/b] ]For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do - this I keep on doing.

Romans 8:5

Quote[/b] ]Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

Romans 8:13-14

Quote[/b] ]For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Romans 6:15-16

Quote[/b] ]What then?  Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?  By no Means!  Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey - whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Paul very much says in those chapters over and over again that you can not use our sinful nature as justification or rationalization to continue to sin.  We are to put aside our sinful nature and go be like Christ.  Where we find sin in our lives, we must lay it at Jesus' feet and do it no more.  And yes, we are weak in our natural selves (Romans 6-19).  We have to understand that we are no longer slaves to that nature and that it does not control us.

Practicing homosexuality is a sin in Gods eye.  Practicing homosexuality drives a wedge between God and the person.  Is it possible to be a Christian and a practicing homosexual?  Yes.  When we all accepted Jesus as our savior we all were practicing sinners.  And some sins have a great hold on us that it takes awhile for our weak natures to let it go.

But with every passing day, I begin to doubt a person who says they are a practicing homosexual and a Christian.  They say that they believe that God rose Jesus from the dead, yet, they find it impossible to believe that God will also do what is needed so they can overcome sin in their lives?  God said we can only have one Lord in our lives.  Either we are slaves to sin or slaves to righteousness.

Only God can judge a mans heart and their salvation.  We are also told to look at the fruits of a persons spirit.  The final fruit of the spirit is self control.  And the first act of the sinful nature is sexual immorality.  This one, is a no brainer guys.

 

[Guest]

"In Canada, it is okay for the Muslims to preach that those who are not of the Islamic faith as infedels, not okay for Christians to say the same of homosexuals."

And christians can talk about homosexuals but its illegal to speak hatred towards a group of people. If we didn't have rules like this u'd have nazis having parades and rallys speaking against jews and colored people. And I've never heard about muslims speaking publicly against non Islamics. I have muslim friends and they are great friends. I have a muslum friend that won't even kill a bug. And they're respectfull towards all religions.

Personally I see both of these things wrong. I don't see whats wrong with being gay. Its their own business. I think the prodistan church close by to my house has just sworn in a gay pastor(priest). And if u think its ok for u to stray gay people to the right path, what would u say if u had a group of people tell u everytime they see u that being a christian is wrong. Its wrong either way. U probobly don't like it when athiest try to tell u that u're wrong yet u think its ok to do the same thing and tell gay people that they're wrong.
As for having your own christian state I don't think it will ever happen. There are places in asia and the middle east that are muslum states and and crosses or christian items(or any religious item thats not muslum) are confiscated at the airport and border before u can enter. And this sounds like the same thing. It be like taking a step backwards.

I went to catholic school from preschool to grade 2 when I lived in india, and I prefer public schools. The funny thing about christian high schools in my area atleast, is they have more drugs going through them than my high school. They have metal detectors and weekly locker checks, with police dogs.

 

[Avesther]

Quote[/b] ]I don't see whats wrong with being gay. Its their own business.

AIDS in man would not exist if it were not for the gay community.  It is now my business when what they do affects my health.

Quote[/b] ]And if u think its ok for u to stray gay people to the right path, what would u say if u had a group of people tell u everytime they see u that being a christian is wrong.

Doesn't hurt my feelings to hear them say I am wrong.  I don't whine about it.

Quote[/b] ]Its wrong either way. U probobly don't like it when athiest try to tell u that u're wrong yet u think its ok to do the same thing and tell gay people that they're wrong.

Like I said before, it doesn't hurt my feelings to hear somebody tell me I'm wrong.  I don't whine about it.   In reality, Christians face questioning of their faith probably 50 times or more a day. Whether its in the news, a tv show or in conversation, in a book or magazine or even by what is taught in school.

Maybe atheists who are actually challanged with Christianity 3 or 4 times in their lifetime should take a page from a Christian.  If what believe what you believe in is true, why should it bother you to hear somebody tell you that you are wrong and offer you as an alternative, something you think is untrue.

Quote[/b] ]And I've never heard about muslims speaking publicly against non Islamics. I have muslim friends and they are great friends. I have a muslum friend that won't even kill a bug. And they're respectfull towards all religions.

I'm referring more to written literature. If I were to go to a street corner and preach on my soapbox quoting from the bible about how homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of God, I go to jail for promoting hate.

If a muslim were to do the same thing on the opposite corner but quote from the Quran, its not promoting hate. Go figure.

Jesus teaches people to accept people and hate the sin. The Quran teaches its followers to kill the person.

 

[Guest]

Atually the quran doesn't tell them to kill, it depends on how u read and understand the text my friend was telling me about it, but I don't remember I'll ask him later and get back to u.
So your blaming AIDS on gay people thats realy big of u, if only u had proof.
Yeah but if I said your wrong and I'm right u'd kick me right off the forum right.
If u want u can give me your address and I'll send u newsletters and stuff everyday on being gay. It won't bother u right. I'll get someone to follow u around and tell u how u are wrong and I'm right.
The point is it doesn't have to bother u its just wrong.
I've had racist call me names and tell me I don't belong here and beat me up because of my facial color, it doesn't bother me but I still think its wrong. And only a few people whine about it, those same darn people who protested against Eminem. Of cource there were christian groups protesting too, but if it doesn't bother them y do they have to whine about it.

Does Jesus ever teach tolerence, and respect anywhere in the bible. I know the Dali Lama does. Can't u just respect that its the life they chose and its not affecting u.
Maybe we should go back to the time of Jesus where earth was the centre of the univerce and the earth was flat. And everyine lived happily ever after.

 

[Guest]

I never said I was catholic I said I was raised catholic. I'm not a kid anymore. And I was being sarcastic about the tolerence.
So when did gay people create AIDS and how did this happen. And if it was made by gay people u have nothing to worry about unless u got with a gay guy. j/j
I actually have a few bibles I keep them with my fairy tale books. j/k My fairy tale books are in a box in the shed. And when did god say being gay is a sin. I heard of the 10 commandments, I must of missed that 11th one. By bad.
And whats wrong with adultry I like catherin zeta jones, she's married, am I going to hell.

Have u ever hear this before.
Heaven is full with proper polite fully dressed people.
Hell is full of naked hot chicks, who don't know what the word no means.
Where would u rather spend ethernity. Is there even a choice.
Try to take what I say witrh a grain of salt, I just found out that the millions of catholics around the world are not really true christian. Don't worry I'll send them all a newsletter and let them know. And all my life I was taught that catholics were right and born again weren't really christians. Really ask my dad. But thank u Jango for clearing things up for me. I guess I'll see u guys later at the next gay bashing.

 

[Guest]

My names not Joseph its savio I was named after St Domnic Savio, saint for the wrongfully accused. I needed a name that I could remember, since I have to many usernames, and I thought Joseph is more biblical and this is a christian forum.

I don't think i'm lost, but if telling gay people are wrong, and not showing them respect is what it takes to go to heaven I rather go to hell.

Quick question
If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

I thought gods peon told me

Jesus teaches people to accept people and hate the sin. The Quran teaches its followers to kill the person.

Don't worry about praying for me, u seem like a nice guy but I'm never going to think gay people are wrong, i think of them like everyone else normal human beings. Its their choice to live their life that way and I resect that. If ever start praying I'd pray for u for it seems there is alot of hatred in u. For a christian ushould be more respectful to other peoples beliefs, thats how I was raised.

 

[Avesther]

Quote[/b] ]Quick question
If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

I thought gods peon told me

Jesus teaches people to accept people and hate the sin.

Both statements are correct.  Whats your problem?  I'm not judging mans sin.  Under old testament law (which you are trying to use against me, for shame on you), God appointed the Levitical priests to administer the law and apply the consequences.  Under the new convenant with Jesus, God (in effect) abolished mans responsibilty to administer and apply the Law.  God took it back into his hands and will apply the consequences at the Judgement thrown.

ps...looks like there are some topics in the General Forum that should be moved to the religios discuss forum. wink wink, nudge, nudge.

 

[Kidan]

quotes from the Koran about Muslims and the fact that they are all for Holy War. if this isn't enough I can also supply quotes from the Hadith, which is a secondary holy book of Islam.

Quote[/b] ] 1.

"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).
2.

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first) fight you there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (The Qur'an, Surah 2:190-193).
3. "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).
4. See also Surah 4:74-76; 61:10-12.

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (Gods_Peon @ June 17 2004,11:21)]

Quote[/b] ]Quick question
If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

I thought gods peon told me

Jesus teaches people to accept people and hate the sin.

Both statements are correct.  Whats your problem?  I'm not judging mans sin.  Under old testament law (which you are trying to use against me, for shame on you), God appointed the Levitical priests to administer the law and apply the consequences.  Under the new convenant with Jesus, God (in effect) abolished mans responsibilty to administer and apply the Law.  God took it back into his hands and will apply the consequences at the Judgement thrown.

ps...looks like there are some topics in the General Forum that should be moved to the religios discuss forum.  wink wink, nudge, nudge.

Y did u not take the whole quote not half.
U said
"Jesus teaches people to accept people and hate the sin.  The Quran teaches its followers to kill the person."

not just
Jesus teaches people to accept people and hate the sin.

What I was trying to say is u made it look like the quran is all about killing when it seems the bible says

"If a man lies with a male as if he were a woman, both men have committed an offense (something perverse, unnatural, abhorrent, and detestable); they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

First off u don't understand the qur'an very well as I said my friend explained this to me but I don't remember. Its not about killing it how u read it. Kind of like the bible I see it differently than what u see it.
U ever heard of a guy named Cat Stevens he was a singer, one of my favorite. He was raised christian, but after he read the qur'an he became a muslum, gave up singing. He was a cool guy. I think he said that people shouldn't judge the qur'an if they don't understand it. So maybe u should spend time in a mosque and get them to explain it to u or ask a friend like I did before u quote it. Cat was a violent man he likes to run 2 primary schools and give money away to charities, because the qur'an told him to kill everyone.
Was that to much sarcasm for u.

Quote[/b] ]Many will quote Qur’anic verses such as the verse that says what means:
*{And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter}* (Al-Baqarah 2:191)

Or the verse that says what means:
*{… seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and [in any case] take no friends or helpers from their ranks.}* (An-Nisaa’ 4:89)

Those who accuse Muslims of being fanatical, blood-thirsty terrorists will often take the most sensational segments of verses like these out of context and present them to others as proof of the violent nature of Islam and Muslims. Having no knowledge of the Arabic language, Prophet Muhammad’s traditions (peace be upon him) or the basics of Islamic Law, these people try to demonize Muslims to drive people away from true understanding of this universal religion.

Part of the problem of misunderstanding is that, unlike other religions, Islam offers information and guidance about every aspect of a person’s life, pleasant or unpleasant as it may be. Unfortunately, war is a fact of life. It has always been and it always will be a fact of life until we can all learn to live together in peace and harmony, regardless of our cultural and religious backgrounds. Islam acknowledges this fact of life and offers concrete, just and practical solutions to problems of all types, including war.

In Islamic Law, or Shari`ah, there are very few justifications for Muslims to wage war on non-Muslims. If Muslims are free to preach Islam openly and in a manner that respects the rights of others to accept or reject Islam as a way of life, then it is not allowed for Muslims to fight non-Muslims. If Muslims’ rights are not being oppressed with respect to their property, honor, or freedom to practice their faith openly, then Muslims have no right to harm or wage war on non-Muslims.

No legitimate war in the history of Islam was ever waged because of the religious beliefs of the opponents of the Muslims. Muslims do not fight others merely because they are non-Muslims. They fight to protect their rights as free human beings trying to live their lives in a peaceful way with their families, friends, and neighbors. Muslims are encouraged to maintain excellent relationships with people of all cultural and religious backgrounds, so long as they do not oppress Muslims and attack them because of their religious beliefs.

The Qur’an says what means:
*{Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for [your] faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those who are just.}* (Al-Mumtahanah 60:5)

War is always the last resort for solving problems in Islam. Every avenue to peace must be pursued to avoid it if possible.

I hope this has helped you to see that Muslims have not been commanded to kill anyone unjustly. Jews, Christians, and people of all faiths should feel safe knowing that Muslims mean them no harm.

Quote[/b] ]Islam is never a source of conflict; on the contrary, it is a source of the very opposite of conflict, namely, peace and harmony. The peace of Islam is based on its affirmation that God is one and all humans are equal. Islam teaches us to live on earth as brothers using the bounties of God for the benefit of all. The disruption of this equitable and just order leads to conflict and turmoil.

In fact, to speak of Islam as the source of conflict in the Middle East or anywhere is a propaganda tactic used by the occupiers, the colonizers, and the enemies of the poor people of the world. The Christian Zionists who characterized Islam as “a wicked religion” are one with the Israeli Zionists in this game. Their spin machines work tirelessly to drum this idea into the minds of even their unwitting victims.

It is true that the Middle East is a cauldron of the present-day conflicts. And the epicenter of that cauldron is Israel and Palestine. The Israelis are Jews and the Palestinians are Muslims—who form the majority—and Christians. The chief source of the Palestinian problem is the misinterpretation by the Jews of a Biblical verse in Genesis 17, where Jehovah is said to have promised the children of Abraham the Land of Canaan: “Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” And God said to Abraham: "As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations” (Genesis 17:8–9 [NKJV]).

Abraham had two sons: the firstborn was Ishmael; the second was Isaac. The Arabs are the children of Ishmael; the Jews are the children of Isaac. The Jews claim that only the children of Isaac deserve the Promised Land of Canaan (which is the present-day Israel and Palestine). The Jews—and following them, most Christians, too—believe that as Hajar the mother of Ishmael was a slave woman, Ishmael and his children have no rights. They refuse to see a law in the Torah that says that the firstborn cannot be denied his birthright on account of the inferior status of his mother. Please see Deuteronomy 21:15–17.

But the Zionist Jews sideline this rule in the Torah, just to deny the Palestinians their right to their homeland, which God granted to them as well as to their brethren, the Children of Isaac (or Children of Israel). So they want the “Promised Land” exclusively for themselves. They want to annex and occupy the whole of it, disregarding international law and the rights of the people who have been living there from time immemorial.

Quote[/b] ]*{Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness (Arabic: birr) and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.}* (Al-Mumtahanah 60:8-9)

Well that was a long one. But a interesting read the qur'an is an interesting book, a little more complex than the bible but interesting.

 

[Kidan]

Actually I have read the Koran, and the Hadith.  As for your comment about them being more complex, I dont think so.  Are they more cryptic?  Yup, but not more complex. Are the more insensible?  Most definitly, but not more complex.  Though of course if by more complex, you mean does it contradict itself repeatedly?  Then yeah, it beats the Bible there for sure. I understand the Koran quite well thank you. for remember, the Koran "says what it means" Though of course according to Muslims, you have to interpret the Koran through the Hadith, and then have it explained to you by someone else. Yeah go "says what it means!"

Read those quotes closely.  In the same quote they say that folks are taking the Koran out of context and then the next paragraph or so, they say you can't take the Koran out of context, because "The Qu'Ran says what it means"


If Islam was such a religion of peace, why are a majority of international terrorists Islamic?   At least Irish terrorists, have the sense to just blow up their own kinsmen, while the Islamic terrorists blow up anyone they can find, most notably themselves.


The second quote describes Christains as 'The enemies of the poor people of the world', while the king of Saudia Arabia lives in utter luxury while his people starve in the street.  The world's LARGEST charitable organization is an evangelical Christian organization.  If Islam is so concerned with the poor, where is their equilavent to the Salvation Army, the CCF, and a whole host of other orgs.


As well if Muslims were so unconcerned about other religions, then how come every country they have taken over (whether through peaceful means, or direct conquest) they've changed into a theocratic government, where practicing other religions, is often punishable.

 

[Avesther]

Quote[/b] ]Y did u not take the whole quote not half.

I only quoted what was needed to clear up a misconception with the bible. I don't need to talk about the quran to clear up your misconecption about the bible.

 

[Guest]

How come terrorists blow up 2 towers and u question muslums as a whole, an american blows up the WTC in oaklahoma, and religion doesn't cone up. U had waco. And the olympic bombing he was part of the christian identity movement.
Are u condoning terrorism as long is its towards your own people. For guys saying their christians u spit alot of hatred towards muslums.
Should I be afraid that my muslum friends are going to kill me because their violent. Or should my christian KKK friends kill me because I'm brown. Maybe all christians are raciest and violent. Can anyone tell me how KKK think that white people are superior, when people in the middle ease are brown and Jesus is from the middle east so guess what he ain't white. Unless u think paintings done in the midle ages are fact.
So how about this me and my muslum friends will come down to where u live and u and yor KKK friends can throw white paint on us and kill us. Because thats what christians do. Right. And later on in the day u can go blow up a Abortion clinic because everyone in there is evel.:angry: : What u're trying to say is I should judge a group of people baced on how the minority thinks.

Quote[/b] ] These revealed that VAAPCON had been invoked to authorize spying on at least 900 groups and individuals. Its targets ranged from the Reverend Jerry Falwell and Feminists for Life to the National Rifle Association and the Christian Coalition.
 

Quick question what was the christian coalition doing that the FBI needed to spy on them. And who were these other 899 groups and individuals.

Quote[/b] ] American nazi Party USA
Aryan Nations USA
The Boeremag South Africa
Christian identity USA
Combat 18 England
Ku Klux Klan
National Alliance USA
National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP) USA
Neo Confederates
NeoNazism
Silent Brotherhood
White Aryan Resistance (WAR) USA
World Church of the Creator
The Aryan Republican Army  

Not every culture is perfect

Quote[/b] ]Jan 22 — An anti-abortion activist, calling for a new wave of violence against clinics and doctors, is following the example of violent Islamic fundamentalists, telling those who share his views to become "Christian terrorists" and promising them a reward in Heaven.
 

http://markbyron.typepad.com/main/2003/11/the_usefulness__1.html

 

[Guest]

Y are u determined to pray for me. I've had enogh people pray for me this year. I wish I'd died on the operating table, y did I have to have a good surgeon. I'm just stating my opinion, thats all except that I'm not crazy and its ok I'm not christian. I think. And accept me for being me not someone u want me to be.
I like muslum people. I think u don't try to put it down because its not the bible. Well stop it and just respect their beliefs. Thats all
Now I have to go buy inflatable boobs for my friends bachelor party. So bye. And no praying. Stop trying to save me. Go watch the movie saved and take notes.

 

[Avesther]

Quote[/b] ]How come terrorists blow up 2 towers and u question muslums as a whole, an american blows up the WTC in oaklahoma, and religion doesn't cone up. U had waco. And the olympic bombing he was part of the christian identity movement.

Because it hasn't been brought up.

Quote[/b] ]Are u condoning terrorism as long is its towards your own people.

I am against all forms of terrorism, thanks for asking.

Quote[/b] ]For guys saying their christians u spit alot of hatred towards muslums.

Nobody has said they hate muslims.  We are standing against their religion.  Canada and the USA are still free nations and we have the right stand against what people are doing.  Just like you are standing against us on our own forums.

Quote[/b] ]Or should my christian KKK friends kill me because I'm brown. Maybe all christians are raciest and violent. Can anyone tell me how KKK think that white people are superior,

Why don't you ask your KKK friends.  I am not part of the KKK, I don't know anybody who is apart of the KKK, there is nobody here that is apart of the KKK.  But you claim to have KKK friends, ask them.

Quote[/b] ]So how about this me and my muslum friends will come down to where u live and u and yor KKK friends can throw white paint on us and kill us.

See above reply.

Quote[/b] ]Because thats what christians do. Right. And later on in the day u can go blow up a Abortion clinic because everyone in there is evel

Wrong.  And yes, there is murder going on in an abortion clinic.  Blowing it up would be an act of terrorism.  And read my second reply in this posting.

Quote[/b] ]What u're trying to say is I should judge a group of people baced on how the minority thinks.

No it isn't.  But thanks for putting words in our mouths that were never said or could even possibly be interpreted that way.

Quote[/b] ]And no praying. Stop trying to save me.

You come into "our house" and accuse us...shame on you.  What you are accusing us of doing is what you are doing.  I can see you having a problem if we came onto your boards uninvited and started "bible thumping."   But, that is not what happened.  You came here.  You have no right to accuse us for doing exactly what you should have expected to happen in our "house".  You are (again) not respecting us or our beliefs on our boards.

 

[Guest]

I was being sarcastic, I don't have any KKK friends. I've met a few and they wern't very pleasent. U said atleast the IRA kill their own people. I'm not insulting u because u're christian. I just don't like the fact that u look at all muslums as the same. U're standing against a religion because u know a few phrases from the qur'an. The qur'an says

Quote[/b] ]*{Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness (Arabic: birr) and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.}* (Al-Mumtahanah 60:8-9)

Quote[/b] ]In Islamic Law, or Shari`ah, there are very few justifications for Muslims to wage war on non-Muslims. If Muslims are free to preach Islam openly and in a manner that respects the rights of others to accept or reject Islam as a way of life, then it is not allowed for Muslims to fight non-Muslims. If Muslims’ rights are not being oppressed with respect to their property, honor, or freedom to practice their faith openly, then Muslims have no right to harm or wage war on non-Muslims.

Quote[/b] ]“ Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors.” (Al-Baqarah: 190)

Quote[/b] ]*{Say: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma`il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to [all] prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we submit to Allah [in Islam]”.}*

 

[Avesther]

Quote[/b] ]I just don't like the fact that u look at all muslums as the same.

This is a pretty bold statement. Care to back it up?

 

[Guest]

U see them as terrorists. U lookt at the qur'an and all u see is violence.
"We are standing against their religion."
U don't understand their religion. And as a christian u see it as a second rate religion. U say the palistineans are trespassing on jewish land because god gave the land to abraham. Abraham had 2 sons, so lets share. Muslims think that the land should be shared peacefully.

This quote says it all.

*{Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness (Arabic: birr) and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.}* (Al-Mumtahanah 60:8-9)

They want their homes back. Israel took their land and put them into refugee camps. I think they should share, and be merry.
That muhamid was a cool guy.