The Microchip and the MARK of the Beast!

Dark Virtue said:
The difference between you and I is that you have your fingers crossed.

The differance we have is that I have assurance through faith in Jesus Christ and YOU HAVE NOTHING.
Wrong! The only cross I bear is the one I die dailey on.:)
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Dark Virtue said:
Since I don't believe in the existence of God or Satan, Satan has absolutely no power over me whatsoever.

Hmmm that statement you made above in this open christian RD forum looks pretty "active" to me.

Also in your original question to me you did not say the word "why" you said the word "what".
There is quite a differance between those two words and with what you are implying what you say you asked me.

As for your statement of having a lack of belief, it then would have been prudent for you to have said "Since I have a lack of belief in the existence of God and Satan, Satan has absolutely no power over me whatsoever.

However had you have said that sentence, "Since I have a lack of belief in the existence God and Satan, then the last part of it,"Satan has absolutely no power over me whatsoever" would have caused your atheistic view to come under serious question.

To say you have a "lack of belief" does not discount that Satan does not exist and that he can't have absolute power over you.

You say you don't believe in the existence of God or Satan and then now you say what you have is a lack of belief. Which is it?

Becareful now, but by all means lets hear your next rebutle.:)
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Jeshurun said:
Dark Virtue said:
Since I don't believe in the existence of God or Satan, Satan has absolutely no power over me whatsoever.

Hmmm that statement you made above in this open christian RD forum looks pretty "active" to me.

Also in your original question to me you did not say the word "why" you said the word "what".
There is quite a differance between those two words and with what you are implying what you say you asked me.

As for your statement of having a lack of belief, it then would have been prudent for you to have said "Since I have a lack of belief in the existence of God and Satan, Satan has absolutely no power over me whatsoever.

However had you have said that sentence, "Since I have a lack of belief in the existence God and Satan, then the last part of it,"Satan has absolutely no power over me whatsoever" would have caused your atheistic view to come under serious question.

To say you have a "lack of belief" does not discount that Satan does not exist and that he can't have absolute power over you.

You say you don't believe in the existence of God or Satan and then now you say what you have is a lack of belief. Which is it?

Becareful now, but by all means lets hear your next rebutle.:)
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I have explicitly set out my belief many times on this board, I have even started a thread to set those beliefs out specifically. It would be incredibly tedious to append every one of my posts with disclaimers. I make it a point to suggest searching the forums for those posts to any new person that has issues with me.

You are taking statements I made out of context and trying to use them to explain my worldview. Saying I don't believe in the existence of God or Satan is not the same as denying either one exists. There are two basic types of atheists, they go by different names, but I usually use the terms strong and weak. Strong atheists actively deny God and gods in general. The problem here is that they have the same problem that theists do...there is no proof or evidence to support their claim. Weak atheism is actually a default point of view. Lacking a belief in gods is much different that denial. When I said I don't believe in the existence in God or Satan, it's because of that lack of belief.

When I said that Satan has no power over me, again, that was a specific statement in regards to a specific post. In order to make my point, I phrased my sentence in direct regards to the post I was responding to, with the assumption that Satan existed.

Again, I'm not going to take the time and put an asterisk after every sentence I write to include something along the lines of, "This is only true IF I actually believed in God/Satan, but since I am a weak atheist, I harbor a lack of belief in gods".

I've been here long enough to have established my belief set clearly. Taking the time to write out an explanation like this is every time someone has a question is a bit tiresome, expecially when you're one of the very few atheists on a Christian board.
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Dark Virtue said:
Jeshurun said:
When I said I don't believe in the existence in God or Satan, it's because of that lack of belief.

Then don't you think thats what you should have said to begin with.

That statement implies that you are sitting on the fence, looking out at both sides and accomplishing nothing.
No doubt you will say that I took your above statement out of context as well.

As for taking your other statement out of context as you say I did. I don't think so it was on this topic.

DV your logic is good however you lack wisdom.
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Jeshurun said:
Dark Virtue said:
Jeshurun said:
When I said I don't believe in the existence in God or Satan, it's because of that lack of belief.

Then don't you think thats what you should have said to begin with.

That statement implies that you are sitting on the fence, looking out at both sides and accomplishing nothing.
No doubt you will say that I took your above statement out of context as well.

As for taking your other statement out of context as you say I did. I don't think so it was on this topic.

DV your logic is good however you lack wisdom.
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I AM sitting on the fence! That's what atheism means! I don't enough information to make an educated choice. You say that I lack wisdom, but I refuse to make a decision based on incomplete data.

How, pray tell, am I not being wise?
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Dark Virtue said:
Jeshurun said:
Dark Virtue said:
I AM sitting on the fence! That's what atheism means! I don't enough information to make an educated choice. You say that I lack wisdom, but I refuse to make a decision based on incomplete data.

How, pray tell, am I not being wise?
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I know you are sitting on the fence but believe me when I say that it is not a good place to be.

Look man none of us here want to see you go down the tubes so to speak but whether you believe this scripture that I'm about to mention to you or not will be eralivant do to your lack of wisdom.

Heres the scripture and I'm not trying to scare you with it, and you may already know it. Now when I mention this scripture it is not my intention to judge you or your position with it for that is up to God not me.

Revelation 3:15,16 "I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth."

That scripture is the reason why I said "it is not a good place to be".

Don't you see that by sitting on that fence looking out with your indecision that a choice has been made regardless of all the lack of information or data you may have now. Your "refusal" to make a decision is your lack of wisdom and its like you don't even see that.
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Jeshurun said:
Dark Virtue said:
Jeshurun said:
I know you are sitting on the fence but believe me when I say that it is not a good place to be.

Look man none of us here want to see you go down the tubes so to speak but whether you believe this scripture that I'm about to mention to you or not will be eralivant do to your lack of wisdom.

Heres the scripture and I'm not trying to scare you with it, and you may already know it. Now when I mention this scripture it is not my intention to judge you or your position with it for that is up to God not me.

Revelation 3:15,16 "I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth."

That scripture is the reason why I said "it is not a good place to be".

Don't you see that by sitting on that fence looking out with your indecision that a choice has been made regardless of all the lack of information or data you may have now. Your "refusal" to make a decision is your lack of wisdom and its like you don't even see that.
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So what you are saying is that you think it's wiser for me to pick a side without evidence, proof or reason? How does that show even the slighted modicum of wisdom?

Let's assume for a second that you're correct. You want me to stand before God and tell him that my decision was based on a coin flip? That the decisions I made weren't based on anything reasonable?

Read the very first part of those verses..."I KNOW YOUR WORKS". I would prefer to stand in front of God, have him look into my heart and mind and know my works. I did not follow him out of fear or blind obedience. I did not deny him out of arrogance. I did not have enough evidence or proof to make a logical conclusion.

Everyone here claims God has given them enough proof to believe in him. YOU say that, don't you? Yet you want me to swear allegiance to something I don't believe in because I don't have any of the evidence you claim to have? That's hypocritical.
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I like to think I have a pretty good imagination, but I can't imagine a scenario like what the bible describes.

What would have to happen to force the entire world to have a mark placed upon them in order to buy/sell goods?

Is this brought up in the Left Behind books? How does it happen?
 
I tend to agree with the following quotes from the book called Revelation Illustrated and Made Plain by author Tim Lahaye.

The nationality of the Antichrist will be a Roman Grecian Jew.[Rev.13:1, Daniel 8:8,9, Daniel 9:26, Daniel 11:36,37]

The Antichrist is seen in Rev.6:2

The Antichrist will use steath diplomacy to gain power in the latter days.

The Antichrist's diplomacy is described in Daniel 8:25.
He will trick the world leaders into the idea that he can offer peace and thereby gain support by 10 world leaders.
Eventually through subtle diplomacy he will end up with control over all of them.

His one world government is prophecied in Daniel 2.

Revelation 17:12-15 says that the world leaders give up their power most likely because they are unable to govern themselves in peace with other nations.
Verse 13 suggests that for the sake of world peace they will establish a world government that they consider to be the solution to the worlds problems.

The Antichrist will dominate the world economy.[Rev.17:13]

The Antichrist will set up an atheistic religion. [Daniel 11:36-39, 2 Thess. 2:1-12]
He will exalt himself.[2 Thess. 2:4]

According to Rev.17 he will give tacit approval to the ecumenicial church, not because he believes in it, but because of the tremendous political overtones and of course his aspiration to control the world.
The Antichrist's true religion will be atheism, which has been increasing in prominence since the early days of German rationalism and today is given respectability of intellectualism.
It is well known that the headquarters of the educational system in America rise from Columbia University which thanks to John Dewey and others, is predominantly atheistic in philosophy.
The atheists have propagated and enforced a purely secular education for young people, contrary to all American principles.

All of these things fitted together are merely pieces of a puzzle that will spread the philosophies of atheism. This does not even enclude the fact that the foundation stone of communism and socialism is atheism.

The mark of the beast.[Rev.13:16-18]
The false prophet of the Antchrist will use the mark of the beast on mankind as way to force them to worship the Antichrist.
He will be the one to demand that all men have this mark on their foreheads or on their hands in order to buy or sell.
Remember how in Worldwar 2 the U.S. government furnished a device of this kind in the form of food rationing.
It was not enough to have money sufficient to pay for an item, for one had to have food stamps. It will be much the same in the tribulation period, for the Antichrist will so control the ecomomy that men cannot live if they do not worship him.

Physically speaking, it will be necessary for men to have the mark of the beast.
Spiritually speaking it will be fatal.

Those who recieve the Antichrist's mark will have made their final choice for eternity to reject Jesus Christ and worship his archenemy.
 
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This!

Dark Virtue said:
I like to think I have a pretty good imagination, but I can't imagine a scenario like what the bible describes.

What would have to happen to force the entire world to have a mark placed upon them in order to buy/sell goods?

Is this brought up in the Left Behind books? How does it happen?
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Well, look at the world today DV. Does security look good with credit cards and pin numbers for another 10 years? No. Identity theft is like a walk in the park nowadays man! It's simple, I can just reach my cell phone over some dudes shoulder and CLICK, I got me some cash. TONS of people have already got the chip and they love the idea of their own personal data implanted into them. I agree, it has great financial benefits and security, but the fact of the matter is, the government will have too much control of the people by this. The cashless society isn't something you want to live in. They already announced that if you don't have the chip, you're the bad guy and they will most likely arrest you and shove you in an espestus-filled prison like they did in New York in Pier 92. The thing is, they won't FORCE you to take this mark, they want you to want it! Makes sense right, in the Bible it says the Anti-christ will take the world through political power and false 'peace and harmony', not force!

Here is an interesting video that raises a few questions like, why are they there? What are they doing? What are they preparing for?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ

Well, they are preparing for urban warfare, you walk outside your house and they are going to frisk you down for weapons and search your car and your house warantlessly. Thanks to the Patriot Act II, America has lost privacy to the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, and the Military. They can tap your phones, computers, anything now. You are free to look around YouTube, some of it may be mush, some may be good.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo&mode=related&search=

At the end of this video, the guy pretty much says what they did. Really.



I'm not sure if it is mentioned in the Left Behind books because I personally have never read them. Someone else may answer that one.

MODS - Can you please check out the video? My firewall will not allow me access to the site which has made me curious. Gen

*HCS note* The Firewall has been fixerd at Gen's request.
 
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