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That's not how it works. We answer the questions before as best we can with the information we currently have.
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And if the answer is wrong?

Saying that I have faith that there is no God would negate what I have been saying all along, that I would gladly believe in God if I had evidence, proof and reason for his existence.
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I would gladly believe in evolution if I had evidence, proof, and reason for its existence :)
 
Scientists are definitely cagey about declaring things that aren't provable facts as being such. Where something is a Law they get shirty about people flat out disbelieving it, where something is a Theory it is generally referred to as such and where something is a hypothesis, again, its falliability is implicit.

After all - Scientific knowledge requires any statement of belief to be falsifiable.
 
Dark Virtue said:
What are you talking about?

Would you mind actually explaining why you feel this to be true?

Saying that I have faith that there is no God would negate what I have been saying all along, that I would gladly believe in God if I had evidence, proof and reason for his existence.
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Here is the problem with your logic. in order to hov faith that God exists, you don't need proof. So in order for you to believe ther is no God YOU don't need proof. (think it over)
 
ChickenSoup said:
And if the answer is wrong?
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If the answer is wrong, then the question is re-evalutated and a new, better answer is given.

You have to understand that science doesn't pretend to give the end all of answers. You are under the misconception that it does. That is the realm of theism. That's why religion has such a difficult time changing, because it has firmly rooted itself in ideals that it doesn't WANT or WISH to consider being wrong.

I would gladly believe in evolution if I had evidence, proof, and reason for its existence :)
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Once again, you need to distinguish between micro and macro evolution.

There is NO evidence, proof or reason to believe in Macro Evolution, that's why I am not a proponent of it. There IS however, more than enough evidence for micro evolution. One would be ignorant to state otherwise. I'm assuming that you are referring to macro evolution.
 
DarthDapor said:
Here is the problem with your logic. in order to hov faith that God exists, you don't need proof. So in order for you to believe ther is no God YOU don't need proof. (think it over)
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You are making a false, inaccurate statement.

In order for me to believe there is NO god, I would need just as much proof as I would to believe there IS a god.

Again, you are making broad, inaccurate statements without backing them up with reason.

Should I stop asking since it looks like you simply refuse to back up your statements?
 
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Alright listen, you want me to back it up, lets start with if you believed in God because of proof. Then what would be the point of faith?

Now if that doesn't back up my statement then what does?
 
I fail to understand why you can't believe in God with proof.

Adam had it.

Eve had it.

Cain had it.

Abel had it.

Abraham had it.

Isaac had it.

Jacob had it.

on and on and on.

They had proof of God's existence yet STILL had issues of faith. You are arguing a non sequitor. It's nonsense.

Listen very carefully: YOU CAN HAVE PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS AND STILL HAVE FAITH IN HIM.

Evidence of that is throughout the Bible. Why do you believe that statement to be false?
 
"My dear little child, you believe because you hov seen. Blessed are those who have not seen, and yet still believe.
 
OT: I, along with probably everyone else, would really appreciate it if you could actually spell your words correctly. I understand that's how you do it or whatever, but that's just bad grammar and spelling. And to be honest, I have a hard time reading your posts with the mis-spelled words.
 
So Thomas wasn't blessed?

Adam? Eve? Moses? et al?

Here's a little verse of my own:

"Ask, and it shall be given you;
seek, and you shall find;
knock, and it shall be opened to you.
For whoever asks, receives;
and he who seeks, finds;
and to him who knocks, the door is opened."
Matthew 7:7:8

What do you tell those that asked and found nothing?
 
What do you tell those that asked and found nothing?
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I would tell them they are impatient. Whether that seems harsh or not, that's what I would say and that's how I feel. (I honestly don't know the answer to this question, so take this literally) Have you ever said to yourself, "I'm not God, I don't know His timing ... I'm going to put my trust in Him and pray everything will work out.", and actually see it through. I would have to assume no, especially to the last part. Did you ever think God was testing your patience. Impatience is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit, as I'm sure you already know this.
 
Goose62 said:
I would tell them they are impatient. Whether that seems harsh or not, that's what I would say and that's how I feel. (I honestly don't know the answer to this question, so take this literally) Have you ever said to yourself, "I'm not God, I don't know His timing ... I'm going to put my trust in Him and pray everything will work out.", and actually see it through. I would have to assume no, especially to the last part. Did you ever think God was testing your patience. Impatience is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit, as I'm sure you already know this.
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How long is long enough?

Or would you have me begging God to show himself to me until the day I died?

Now...assuming that God WAS testing my patience, and he was omnimax, the n God would know exactly how long he could make me wait before I decided that there just wasn't anything there to make me believe he existed.
 
What would you say to any other relationship that tested you in this way? When I'm hurting and I need comfort I don't want to hear "I want to see how you handle this on your own, dear" - I want comfort.

Doesn't it say "Ask and ye shall receive. Seek and ye shall find."?
 
Dark Virtue said:
So Thomas wasn't blessed?
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No, maybe he wasn't blessed as much
Dark Virtue said:
Here's a little verse of my own:

"Ask, and it shall be given you;
seek, and you shall find;
knock, and it shall be opened to you.
For whoever asks, receives;
and he who seeks, finds;
and to him who knocks, the door is opened."
Matthew 7:7:8
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By the way why hovn't you knocked yet?

Eon said:
Why make it so hard?

If Noah wasn't required to not see but believe, then why should I be?
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No, as I recall Noah did see God's power. Why should you believe? A better question would be why shouldn't you believe?
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DarthDapor said:
No, maybe he wasn't blessed as much

Maybe? In other words, you have no clue, right?

You seem to backtrack an awful lot.

By the way why hovn't you knocked yet?
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I spent a good portion of my life banging on the door.

No one answered.

And why the heck won't you spell HAVE right? :rolleyes:

No, as I recall Noah did see God's power. Why should you believe? A better question would be why shouldn't you believe?
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We've been giving you that answer!

Pay attention, I'll spell it out for you...again:

There is no logical reason to believe. No evidence, no proof.

Now, your answer to why you should believe is, what? Not because you have some deep emotional love for God, but because there is some infinitesimal chance that you will be punished in hell? Is that what your God really wants? Devotion culled out of fear?

Now, here's the million dollar question...one which everyone seems to be avoiding. If those people in the Bible could believe in God WITH proof, why can't we?
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That would be a different question, not a better question.

You're asking me to go against my principles and subordinate myself to a higher authority on the basis of... nothing.

Why is a much better question than Why not.
 
Dark Virtue said:
DarthDapor said:
If those people in the Bible could believe in God WITH proof, why can't we?
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You con, you don't need proof to believe in God. Now I'm going to ask a question and I want an honest answer. Why do you need proof that God exesits?
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