Support Judge Roy Moore!

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Below is a link to an article that I'm sure many people have been hearing about for a while.

The article from World Net Daily

Judge Roy Moore of Alabama, has refused to remove the granite monument with the 10 commandments. A rally of Christians from around the nation is to be held in Montgomery, Alabama, on August 16, and will begin at 9:30 a.m. Central Time. If you cannot attend this rally, please be in prayer for Judge Moore, and for those who despise him for his stance as well.

You can also listen live via internet radio at at AFR.Net

To sign the petition supporting Judge Roy Moore, visit:this page

This is a critical point in history! We Christians cannot afford to lose this or any other battle like this! The time to stand up is now.
 
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Quote[/b] (2003 WorldNetDaily.com @ August 14 2003)]Moore lost an appeal July 1 at the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which upheld Thompson's earlier ruling that the monument, due to its placement in the rotunda of the Judicial Building, was a violation of the establishment clause of the Constitution's First Amendment. The original suit was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union.

Thats a massive twisting of the meaning and intent of the first ammendment. Last time I checked, placing a monument in the retunda of a building does constitute the creation of a law. And since when is a courthouse considered congress?
 
Here is an article I just received today. I really enjoyed the third last paragraph

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Quote[/b] (K-house ENews for the Week @ August 19 2003)]
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS CONTROVERSY


A large granite monument of the Ten Commandments, complete with quotes from American founding fathers, has greeted those entering the Alabama Judicial Building since 2001.  On August 5, 2003, Federal Judge Myron Thompson ordered the monument removed within 15 days, but Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore has said that he has no intention of removing the monument.  Moore said, "I would consider myself guilty of treason if I failed to take a stand."

Moore's name has been solidly linked with the fight to retain Ten Commandment displays on public property since 1995 when the ACLU tried to force him to take down a wooden plaque of the Ten Commandments from his courtroom wall. He quickly won that fight and went on to campaign and easily win election as chief justice in 2000.

The fight over the Ten Commandments monument started in 2001 when three liberal legal groups filed lawsuits charging that the monument violated the First Amendment.  Last November, Judge Thompson ruled that the monument did violate the establishment clause of the Constitution, and in July a federal appeals court upheld Thompson's ruling.   Thompson ordered the monument be removed by August 20th or the state of Alabama would face fines starting at $5000 per day the monument remained in the Judicial Building's rotunda.

"Today [the freedom to worship God] is being taken from us by federal courts who misuse the First Amendment as a sword to take away our rights, instead of a shield to preserve them for us," said Judge Moore.  

On Saturday, thousands of Americans from across the nation converged on Montgomery, Alabama in support of Judge Moore and his fight to retain the monument.  Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes was among the many political figures who also arrived and spoke at the rally.  Keyes challenged the nation's courts demanding, "What law is he breaking?  I'd like to know! Show it to me!"  He added, "If Congress is expressly prohibited from making laws with regards to religion, then exactly what laws to do these courts claim that he has broken?"

The First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."   Obviously, according to its plain meaning, this amendment has not been violated by Judge Moore's Ten Commandment's display.  Congress has made no laws establishing any state religion, nor is the state of Alabama forcing anybody to worship in any particular way. Atheists walking by the monument are free to disregard its injunctions.   At the rally, Keyes implored all Americans to reign in "these unruly courts" which he argued "are imposing a national regime of disbelief on the country.  They are doing exactly what the Constitution forbids."

In fact, it can be argued that these judges are in violation of the Tenth Amendment of the US Constitution; "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively or to the people."  The Constitution of Alabama itself invokes "the favor and guidance of Almighty God" and the monument in the Judicial Building rotunda supports that invocation.

The liberty to pursue one's religion of choice has long been a basic American freedom. However, the very freedoms Americans enjoy, whether or not atheists or agnostics recognize it, depend on the national acknowledgement of the Ten Commandments.  It is vital that the federal government recognizes the first of those commandments; "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."  If the government rejects the example of America's founding fathers and ceases to acknowledge the sovereignty of God, then the government can position itself in God’s place.  When a government takes the place of God and God's laws, as Communist governments have sought to do, then it becomes a law unto itself and any horror against humanity can then result.  The citizens of America can remain free and safe as long as their government remembers that it too is under a Higher Law.

However, liberal judges have allowed a constant attack on any public recognition of God in recent decades.  While a federal appeals court allowed a display (and an ugly one at that) of the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl, paid for by taxpayer dollars, to remain in downtown San Jose in August 1996,  that same court demanded the removal of the Mount Davidson cross, which had been a southern landmark for San Francisco since 1934.   From little Psalms plaques at the Grand Canyon to the Pledge of Allegiance, any public acknowledgement of God has become taboo to these judges.

Moore announced last week that he would be "filing with the United States Supreme Court a writ of prohibition and mandamus directing Judge Thompson to stop this wrongful interference with state government."  He is exhorting all Americans to stand up and speak out against this effort to completely remove God from public life.  Please do so, and continue to keep Chief Justice Moore in your prayers.
 
those that are like EEESH i have to give my email out, or even my city/state you can make those up and then on the next page you can unsubscirbe from the email.
 
He hasn't lost until he gives up.

But as of right now...the biggest losers are the rights and freedoms of the American people.

Sorry, score one for the idiots and zero for the common folk.
 
The article presented here is a cop out and is easily shown to be completely false in the idea that a secular government will lead to chaos and that a theistic one is somehow more stable, when in fact it is quite the opposite.

Let us jump back to 1692, late September.

Setting: Theocratic government in the Chesapeake. A town known as Salem (this town still exists in modern day Massachusetts.

Twelve young girls start falling into 'trances' and are repeatedly 'attacked' by 'spirits' sent out by older women who are accused as being witches.

To challenge the court is equivelant to challenging God since it deals out the 'authority of God'. Thus all accused are deemed as guilty.

Nineteen people end up hanged, one man, a certain Guiles Correy is 'pressed' to death. In other words, they stacked heavy stones on his chest until his heart stopped.
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The 'founding fathers' were largely DEISTS. Such as Thomas Jefferson. If you dispute this I can back up my claim here.

Additionally the first settlers who came to America emigrated (not immigrated, there is a difference, look it up) here in the hopes of escaping Government affiliation with religion (the church of England).

They wanted a secular government, this is undisputed among historians and is seen as a fact. The argument that this is otherwise is an apologetic twisting of history.

The first amendment disallows for the promotion of one religion or group of religions over others. The ten commandments clearly promote the biblical god.

Judge Moore has every right to place this monument on HIS property. He has NO right whatsoever to promote chrisitianity and to infer a bias in justice on Government property.

When a hindu believe would visit that court they would recieve the immediate impression of a Christian based justice system (theocratic justice) and feel an immediate fear of being unfairly judged.

Additional proof that promoting religion on government affiliated properties can be found in our currency.

Many will say "Our government is based on Christianity, just look at our currency." This is EXACTLY what the first amendment intended to PREVENT from happening.

Thus in the future one could say, "Even the courthouses acknowledge Christianity."

Contrary to commonplace belief, Atheists, and even others of opposing religions are not trying to erradicate Christianity in America, to think this is a 'Hasty Generalization'.

We merely wish to keep the government secular. This creates a better America for everyone.

America foundation has NOTHING to do with religion. It was COMPLETELY political and economic. If you disagree you need to take an American History course.

That which sparked the revolution were resultant of Britain's unreasonable taxation on the Americans. Although the justification of such taxation is disputable since George Washington's failure to win a small battle against the French got the indians to think that the French could kick the Britain's asses. Thus the French had an ally, this led to paranoia in Britain. As a result they sent troops to the Americas and the Seven years war began.

Religion was a moot point. This was the beginning of America whether you like it or not. You do not determine the constitutions meaning, the writer of it does. Thomas Jefferson was OPENLY OPPOSED to Christianity. I can back this up with ease. I dare you to challenge me on this.
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To dispute the Moore situation is ignorant. I understand that you are all preached to and spoon fed 'facts' so I do not hold spite against any of you. You were merely uninformed or missinformed.

Have a great day... er... night.

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Won't happen again, but please feel free to address my argumentation.
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well in some texts he is open opposed to Christians, and in others he supported them, and NO you where not there so you do not know the TRUE meaning of any of them only from what you read in books, and hear others teach.

if this country was truely an equalistic country then they would teach creation, evolution, hinduism and the other MAJOR world religions view on the beginning of life in the biology and or anatomy classes, and astromy
 
Thomas Jefferson was an open deist. Agreed. Ben Franklin, I believe, was an atheist. Agreed. George Washington smoked pot, said he was Christian. Agreed.

Now. I challenge you to go and prove to me that the Pilgrims did not leave England to avoid persecution from the State-run Anglican Church (kudos to Henry), and wanted a society for themselves free from the moral decay of such places as Holland, where it is they eventually set out FROM TO America.

They wanted a government. Their own. Agreed. They did not want to be bossed around by some island elsewhere that was unfair and tyrannical. You can read the Declaration and see as much.
You can also read in the Declaration that there are two types of rights: those given by the Creator and those given by the land.
They said "Creator" in the Declaration...you can't call that Christian Revisionism. Anyone that says otherwise is a Revisionist, and a liar at that.

I'll tell you something right now. The justice system of America isn't founded on the Five Pillars of Islam. They are not dedicated to the multiple gods of Hindus. They are not founded on the dodging of societal problems as Buddhism. They are founded on the Ten Commandments. Originally. But, America was to be a haven from someone in religious persecution. So anyone could come here, atheist, Christian or Hindu.

So there are actually two laws of the original Ten Commandments that are in America's justice system: don't murder, don't steal. Until recently, adultery was a crime. That would have made three Commandments. But now it's just two. Because, hey, what's a little outta-wedlock sex and extrafamilial relations in the big picture, right? I mean, it's not like it's HARMING anyone...right?

As I said in the Evil Atheists topic...not every man proclaiming to be Christian were Christian.
And not every instance of supposed Christianity is actually what Christ wants us to do. I'll tell you this right now, if your problem with Christianity is with the examples men who proclaim Christianity put up, then I can understand. You'll never be satisfied by men's examples of great morality or whatnot, because they do not exist. Salem was a tragedy. The Crusades were a tragedy. The Inquisition was a tragedy. Those are not what Christ taught us to do. But we still did 'em. We did not honor Christ that way. They were not rewarded for those actions, I can assure you. They were misled, and greatly.

Islam's massacre of any Arab not claiming allegiance to Allah (you can't claim to be a son of Allah, as you can a son of God, that's the ultimate blasphemy) was not a tragedy. That was their foundation. Put to death any by the sword, and after that, live in peace and harmony. A few people can kill others, and if they die fighting for Allah, that is the only assured way one can enter heaven. ONLY assured way. Everything else depends on whether or not if it's that time of month for Allah.

So is it tragic when militant Muslims kill someone and die for their God, hoping to get into heaven? Nope. That's heroic. To them. It's tragic and outrageous if a Christian does as much. And I can assure you, they're not getting instant heaven from God for that. We are to love each other, love our enemies, and love our God. If we do those three, would we have had the Crusades? The Inquisition? The Salem Witch Trials? NO!
But we did, anyways. And again I reiterate: don't look to man for answers. If you do you WILL FALL. We all will.
 
Ultima, read Numbers, than read Ezekial. That is Biblical.

They wished to escape religious persecution so that they could practice their religion seperated entirely from government. That is historical fact.

I am sorry but the idea of NOT KILLING PEOPLE is NOT originated from the 10 commandments, it is rather ignorant of you to say that becuase we don't like the idea of KILLING people we are using the 10 commandments as our source of this. The same applies to not stealing, if you need be reminded these were shunned before the commandments were even supposedly created...

Further, original settlers were Britains, if you asked them they would claim Britain citizenship.

As for your deciding who is a Christian or not, anyone who believes Christ to be the savior is a Christian, no if's and's or but's about it.
 
They WERE British. No denying. THEN they went to Holland to escape the State Church. THEN they went to America. Britain played a heavy role in all this...wonder who we fought in the Revolution?

BUT they came to America so set themselves apart from the rest. And there came a melting pot to the colonies, as well. BUT they did not come to make government alone: they came to make a government to keep their inhabitants safe from the whimsical laws Europe had imposed.

I've read histories and I've read the Bible. The Bible is a history.
Look, not killing people has been around for thousands of years. Several cultures have punished many who do such. Yet others encourage it. Bad stuff, but still. Not killing people is a moral choice. It is not our right to take another's life: it is wrong.

God gave the Hebrews the Ten and all the rest of them *which were hundreds* to show them that they had no hope of keeping themselves pure for Him. It was impossible. There was too much to keep one perfect. The commandments were signs of that: dudes, you can't hope to attain perfection. It ain't gonna happen.

It was all a setting up for the coming of a Redeemer, which he had promised from the moment of the Fall of Man.
 
What did any of that have to do with supporting your views?

They came to British colonies (NOT AMERICA) to get away from religious involvement imposed by the Government.

To be specific, if Britain had not imposed certain tax laws known as 'the acts' we would not have revolted. Not religious. Thomas Jefferson, the man who actually wrote the constitution, and therefore had intentions in doing so, was a Deist. This means he did not believe in a personal God. The Constitution IS the foundation of our nation. It was written in such a way as to prevent religion from becoming part of the government.
 
How exactly are some of you determining what you consider to be profanity? I see the word "screw" being thrown around alot. You might as well put fu** in there because it will mean exactly the same thing no matter what context you put it in. I don't think some people even understand why they object to "profanity". If they did, they wouldn't object to it in most cases, actually.

Hey Medjai, you are bringing in some good discussions. But convincing most people here of anything that may contradict their beliefs or the Bible is an impossible task.
 
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