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Screw? I say screw all the time. Ever hear of euphemism?

I never said the revolt against Britain was over religious reasons...they revolted against them, like I said. I didn't say why. And it was strictly governmental why they revolted, alone.
But America (13 colonies) were NOT British colonies. They were British charter colonies, but their origins were of people who had set out with one goal: set up a place away from the overseeing eyes of Britain, and when Britain began to screw around with em (there it is again, GM) they got upset and eventually led to all-out war.

America was founded for religious freedom (from Britain) and for governmental freedom (from Britain).

 

[Medjai]

Quote[/b] (Grand Master @ Sep. 14 2003,7:25)]How exactly are some of you determining what you consider to be profanity? I see the word "screw" being thrown around alot. You might as well put fu** in there because it will mean exactly the same thing no matter what context you put it in. I don't think some people even understand why they object to "profanity". If they did, they wouldn't object to it in most cases, actually.

Hey Medjai, you are bringing in some good discussions. But convincing most people here of anything that may contradict their beliefs or the Bible is an impossible task.

Grand Master, I am not here to convince them, that would be a menial task. Instead I merely wish to see some of them become at least slightly more open-minded.

 

[Medjai]

Now you are mixing things up.

Great Britain was actually justified in their seemingly unfair taxing of our charter colonies. After all, George Washington went out like an idiot and attacked the French, got his butt kicked, and in turn started the Seven Years War. If Britain didn't send in troops the French would have easily overtaken the British colonies. Britain gained a shitload of land from that war but also doubled their debt. As a result, they needed money, so they tried to get the people who were responsible for that loss of money to pay for it. The colonists disagreed, this spurred the revolution. Religious freedom was the reason people initially left England, in other words, the English colonies were founded on religious freedom. America wasn't founded on this, it was founded on the idea of an independent, secular, and fair government. Religion was intended to be as a seperate body completely, unaffiliated with government, yet they made sure that in Government's being seperate, it would have no authority over religion either. This way, the government would not be able to support specific religion or suppress it.

When one puts the Ten Commandments on government property, they are creating an image of a Christian justice system. This makes others feel left out and discriminated against. This is exactly what was not intended to happen.

He is not having his rights infringed upon, in fact, he can put the monument on his property if he would like. He doesn't own any government building, to say otherwise is ludicrous.

 

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But here is something (back to history again...geez): America WAS the thirteen colonies before they spread. Those were our United States of America after the Revolution.

And really, Britain could have been more diplomatic about the taxations...after all, they're dealing with fighters here.
But again: government separation, religious freedom for origins. I think that was what I was originally pressing for: the colonies (pre-America) for religious freedom, the colonies united (America), for government freedom.
Now that we're all agreed (I think?) how menial is it for you to convince blockheads on changing from their set course? I would say that is monumental. Sources (VERY credible) to discredit Christianity, I'm not sorry to say, will not convince people dedicated to a lifetime of their beliefs to drop it all at the first sign of a fight and a challenge.

Menial? Hardly. But if we all get along, then there won't be a need for convincing. Grand Master, Eon, Mustrad, that Russian dude (WHAT was HIS NAME?!), Sagan, you...ain't gonna change the tides of everyone here. Maybe some, not all.

 

[Medjai]

I am not trying to discredit Christianity, I am showing that our nation was not founded on it. Big difference.

It is a menial task to convince everyone of your beliefs/views which is why I said that was something I do not intend to do.

Religious freedom does not involve government endorsement. By promoting one you are essentially belittling another, this leads to discrimination. Slowly but surely people start saying that the nation is founded on that religion, which was supported by the government. As has happened here. Thus my point is made.

 

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NOW it all becomes clear.
Thanks dude. That cleared it up for me a lot. Not being sarcastic. I am serious.
Huh. Now that I think about it, you're right. But you know, I'm sure if the Muslims put up their Five Pillars of Islam on a government building, no one would spaz so much...
The Masonic symbol is on our school's walls...that's freaky. They're a religious organization. It says the land there was leveled by them, and has their symbol. Who could care if the Freemasons leveled the land? I don't see on government building plaqes if Henry & Sons leveled their ground...it's fishy when I see the Freemasons involved in anything social...I dunno. What about that, Medjai? Should that or should that not be allowed, the Masons' symbol on our school?

 

[Medjai]

I am glad we cleared up missunderstanding!

I am unaware of the Mason ideology and its religious affiliation. I have heard of the free masons a while back but didn't know what they were. I still don't, please inform me as to exactly what they are.

I am always open to learning, by the way, even if you think they are 'evil' and whatnot please give me an unbiased informative post so that I can truely learn from it. In other words try and be cynical and realistic, avoid emotional comments etc... Thanks a million!

P.S. If they are a practicing religious establishment, I would strongly be against their symbol being flaunted on public school grounds or other government property.