ChickenSoup
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What do you think?
Pulling out troops?
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turn_key
Member
We need to stay as long as it takes.
Senator "Lurch" Kerry constantly compares this war to Vietnam, saying that no one wants us there, and quotes conveniently nameless soldiers and "Iraqi leaders" that tell him they are opposed to the war.
If one were to draw such comparisons then why is there no mention of the result of us pulling out of Vietnam prematurely? An elected regime that was just as bad as the old one, with the same lack of freedom and capitalism, and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people executed for supporting the US during the war.
We lost in Vietnam because it became a political liability, and we will loose in Iraq for the same reason.
Regardless of the opposition to the war, we are still at war. Lets finish what we started, if we don't then our troops really did die for nothing. The only way to win this war is to have complete victory.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. - Winston Churchill
Senator "Lurch" Kerry constantly compares this war to Vietnam, saying that no one wants us there, and quotes conveniently nameless soldiers and "Iraqi leaders" that tell him they are opposed to the war.
If one were to draw such comparisons then why is there no mention of the result of us pulling out of Vietnam prematurely? An elected regime that was just as bad as the old one, with the same lack of freedom and capitalism, and hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people executed for supporting the US during the war.
We lost in Vietnam because it became a political liability, and we will loose in Iraq for the same reason.
Regardless of the opposition to the war, we are still at war. Lets finish what we started, if we don't then our troops really did die for nothing. The only way to win this war is to have complete victory.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival. - Winston Churchill
SirThom
New Member
I selected the closest option to my opinion, the second one.
Nobody seems to take note of the fact that we still have US forces stationed in Germany, following a war that ended 60 years ago. The same thing will happen with Iraq.
But for now, we need to stay there if we are needed.
Nobody seems to take note of the fact that we still have US forces stationed in Germany, following a war that ended 60 years ago. The same thing will happen with Iraq.
But for now, we need to stay there if we are needed.
ChickenSoup
Banned
We still have troops in Germany?! 
Taliesin
New Member
We definitely need to stay. If nothing else, we will need some stability there so they can rebuild Babylon.
SirThom
New Member
Maybe not troops, but there are military forces in Germany, and every other place we've had a war with. Historically, we always stick around, to an extent.ChickenSoup said:We still have troops in Germany?!
ChickenSoup
Banned
Tell me about it. There's gotta be 300 McDonalds in Berlin...
Corpfox
Active Member
One thing for certain, if the Americans do win the war, there will be heavy casualties.
Or if, The President of the United States of America, launches a nuclear weapon, the war is finished as its been done with Japan in World War II.
Or if, The President of the United States of America, launches a nuclear weapon, the war is finished as its been done with Japan in World War II.
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Jeshurun
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o boy. I'm sorry but Jer. chapter 50 and 51 is what the word of God says about Iraq and I agree with it.
Get out of there and don't look back .
However I do agree with troops to be in Afganastan and the search for Osama Binladin and his fellow terrorists.
Get out of there and don't look back .
However I do agree with troops to be in Afganastan and the search for Osama Binladin and his fellow terrorists.
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Exo-Slayer
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While I don't agree with the reasons we went over there initially and I believe our leaders mislead us on a lot of things, to pull out overnight would probably leave the country worse then it was when we started. A slow withdraw over the next few years training more Iraq troops to deal with their own problems is probably the best option now.
How exactly do you pick a target to bomb in a "War on Terror", Terror isn't a Country or sovereign nation, it is an ideology. Dropping a nuke on some random city made of primarily the people we are trying to help isn't going to do anything but create more people willing to fight us.
How exactly do you pick a target to bomb in a "War on Terror", Terror isn't a Country or sovereign nation, it is an ideology. Dropping a nuke on some random city made of primarily the people we are trying to help isn't going to do anything but create more people willing to fight us.
Exo-Slayer
Moderator
While I don't agree with the reasons we went over there initially and I believe our leaders mislead us on a lot of things, to pull out overnight would probably leave the country worse then it was when we started. A slow withdraw over the next few years training more Iraq troops to deal with their own problems is probably the best option now.
How exactly do you choose a target to bomb in a "War on Terror", Terror is neither a country nor a Sovereign nation, it is an ideology. We would be bombing a people we are trying to help, and in the end just create more people willing to fight us.
How exactly do you choose a target to bomb in a "War on Terror", Terror is neither a country nor a Sovereign nation, it is an ideology. We would be bombing a people we are trying to help, and in the end just create more people willing to fight us.
Talon
Active Member
We've lost a lot of troops over there. What service would it do them if we pull out and dont do anything more? they died for no reason then.
I believe that the majority of the people in this nation support the war, they just are not as vocal as some others we see on tv and such. Phenomenon know as "silent voters", thats what makes the difference.
I believe that the majority of the people in this nation support the war, they just are not as vocal as some others we see on tv and such. Phenomenon know as "silent voters", thats what makes the difference.
ChickenSoup
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Jeshurun said:
Jeshurun
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ChickenSoup said:
techwhosaysnee
New Member
Ahem.
Disagreeing with your interpretation of the word of God, and your potential (I'm not stating my own opinion here) misapplication of prophecy to current events is far different than working against the bible as a whole. Perhaps the scripture refers to some previous historical event.
I'm not arguing the point so much as the overly confident tone you stated it with.
Disagreeing with your interpretation of the word of God, and your potential (I'm not stating my own opinion here) misapplication of prophecy to current events is far different than working against the bible as a whole. Perhaps the scripture refers to some previous historical event.
I'm not arguing the point so much as the overly confident tone you stated it with.
Jeshurun said:
techwhosaysnee
New Member
I think really the only thing to debate is whether we should have gone in the first place. I happen to think we should have... but that's a whole other topic.
Cutting and running before we have established a replacement regmine would be silly and a waste of the resources we have already lost, and we will have more enemies in the region that will cause us to have more war in the future. We left prematurely last time and did not make good on our threats to impose our will, which is why we're in the stituation we're in now. We should have finished this when we had more support.
Cutting and running before we have established a replacement regmine would be silly and a waste of the resources we have already lost, and we will have more enemies in the region that will cause us to have more war in the future. We left prematurely last time and did not make good on our threats to impose our will, which is why we're in the stituation we're in now. We should have finished this when we had more support.
Jeshurun
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techwhosaysnee said:Ahem.
Disagreeing with your interpretation of the word of God, and your potential (I'm not stating my own opinion here) misapplication of prophecy to current events is far different than working against the bible as a whole. Perhaps the scripture refers to some previous historical event.
I'm not arguing the point so much as the overly confident tone you stated it with.
Jeshurun said:
So it would seem that if anyone says that they rely on what God's word say in whatever book of the bible as like I did, that we all as Christians have our own interpretation of the word of God . Hmmmm very interesting.
Interesting how you come into this especially as you said yourself you are not stating your own opinion here . But excuse me you did .
But perhaps your wrong when ever you interprut the word of God as well. I thank God for my confidence in His word. Where else would my confident tone come from. Thanks for your two cents worth though .
techwhosaysnee
New Member
Actually, no ... I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't discuss and defend their opinion. And I didn't state my opinion at all on the scripture, as I have yet to read it (I'm at work currently). I was reacting only to the abrasive attitude.
Mainly, it is one thing to disagree with someone, and another thing to talk down to them because you disagree with them. I just get a bit annoyed when I see Christians arguing over who reads the bible better, rather than just talking things over. I've found that Christians who boast of their own enlightment and how often they are right, tend to have their focus in the wrong place. I much perfer to learn from someone who thinks of himself as a lowly, undeserving servant.
We're all brothers and sisters here. There is no reason to get snippy, whether you are right or not.
Mainly, it is one thing to disagree with someone, and another thing to talk down to them because you disagree with them. I just get a bit annoyed when I see Christians arguing over who reads the bible better, rather than just talking things over. I've found that Christians who boast of their own enlightment and how often they are right, tend to have their focus in the wrong place. I much perfer to learn from someone who thinks of himself as a lowly, undeserving servant.
We're all brothers and sisters here. There is no reason to get snippy, whether you are right or not.
Jeshurun said:techwhosaysnee said:Ahem.
Disagreeing with your interpretation of the word of God, and your potential (I'm not stating my own opinion here) misapplication of prophecy to current events is far different than working against the bible as a whole. Perhaps the scripture refers to some previous historical event.
I'm not arguing the point so much as the overly confident tone you stated it with.
Jeshurun said:So it would seem that if anyone says that they rely on what God's word say in whatever book of the bible as like I did, that we all as Christians have our own interpretation of the word of God . Hmmmm very interesting.
Interesting how you come into this especially as you said yourself you are not stating your own opinion here . But excuse me you did .
But perhaps your wrong when ever you interprut the word of God as well. I thank God for my confidence in His word. Where else would my confident tone come from. Thanks for your two cents worth though .
Corpfox
Active Member
Doesn't the US already have many enemies around the world? After all, the opposition does hate and fear the US.
Isn't Michael Moore's documentaries true? Did the US really supply the opposing countries, weapons and money; for their own wars?
I over-did it, however, they do "target" with usages of smart bombs, as its been heard and seen a few weeks back, that the US military killed an important terrorist leader.