Predestination v. Freewill

[b said:
Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Jan. 04 2004,11:32)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Pop if you are going to ignore one book of the Bible you might as well ignore it all.
No I think I will keep the rest of it.
Arent there passages where the bible claims it infallibility? If you decide to ignore parts of the bible but keep the other parts, you contradict yourself.
 
yes fleck u are right. to only read one book and not read any of the others in the Bible misinforms you about alot of stuff. say u went to i think its lematations, orone of the other books that lists all the tribes of isreal, and lists all the sacrifices your suppose to have in a year, you can get a twisted point of view of the bible that way. now pop i aint sayin ur twisted or ur ideals are. but if we have freewill, then it can still be said it was predestined. ok take the terminator 3 theory: the main guy acted on his own free will but in the end it was all predestined. ok its not that great if a anology but im tired and headin to bed in bout 5 min.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Arent there passages where the bible claims it infallibility?
I am assuming you are speaking of when Paul says all scripture is good for doctrine. If you are That refers to the Tanakh not the new testament. Also I no longer consider myself a pauline christian. The Bible cannot claim infallability because the Bibe wasent written when it was written. Or rather the Bible is a collection of letters and other such things that were canonized.
 
really?? i always thought u were a Jewish kinda guy.
 
Why not? Yeshua Hamashia (or however you spell it), Yerushalem...it was an easy step to be misled to think such.
No. He's not Jewish.
So. Letters. The Pauline Christian's out...what of Peter's letters? Or John's revelation? Or the Gospels? Forget em all, I say. I mean, they were directed by Peter and other apostles.
While we're at it, scratch the Pentateuch...done by Moses, but dictated, to prone to error. And after he's gone, screw the rest of the Bible, because it's all unreliable.
 
y screw entire Bible when it has historical facts?? and yes all of ur stuff pop sounded jewish so i assumed. especially when ur signature said: pray for the freedom of Yerushalem. cuz uhh i never ever thought of prayin that for the life of me till i saw it in ur sig.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]when ur signature said: pray for the freedom of Yerushalem. cuz uhh i never ever thought of prayin that for the life of me till i saw it in ur sig.
It dident say freedom it said peace. No I am not Jewish I just like to look at the Jewish roots of christianity. I am not a sacred namer either.  
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]So. Letters. The Pauline Christian's out
Yes after Leo came I was curious if mabe there were less nutty people who believed Paul was false. There of course were. This led to a curiosity if Paul was indeed false. I a few weeks ago after studying came to the conclusion that he was. As far as screwing the rest of the Bible because I cant bring myself to make a doctrine out of a song somone wrote. I dont think that way. Infact why dont you go tell that to Luther. If I remember correctly he did decanonize James and reduced other books to deuterocanonical status. Yet he still helped lead the protestant revolution. The gospels I believe are a good historical account of the teachings of Yeshua and I believe and follow them.
 
where the heck were u studying?? i would like to know cuz i might just check it out.
 
Well for the sake of millions pop i hope you are wrong because better that one part of the body go to hell than the whole. (Jesus own words)
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (LionOfJudah @ Jan. 07 2004,12:38)]Well for the sake of millions pop i hope you are wrong because better that one part of the body go to hell than the whole. (Jesus own words)
You know I hope I am wrong as well. After all if I am wrong then we all get to go to heaven. However if I am right well then some of these people wont be. I do believe that you can believe in Paul and stillbe saved.
 
u never answerd my question: what were u studying that makes u think paul is false??

EDIT: right when i posted i got ur msg pop. and how can paul get us into heaven?? the Bible says the only path to heaven is through ME (Jesus talking).
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Atown @ Jan. 07 2004,12:57)]u never answerd my question: what were u studying that makes u think paul is false??
I sent you a PM. As I thought that would be better.
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[b said:
Quote[/b] ]and how can paul get us into heaven?? the Bible says the only path to heaven is through ME
I never said Paul can get us into heaven?
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Fleck @ Jan. 05 2004,10:16)]Arent there passages where the bible claims it infallibility?  If you decide to ignore parts of the bible but keep the other parts, you contradict yourself.
Considering that the Bible is composed of books written at different times by different people...no, you will never find a verse that says anything along the lines of "the Holy Bible is infallable and/or the word of Jehovah."

It was put together by people (inspired or not is irrelevant to this point), and as such, the writers had no idea what would or would not be in the Bible.  (Paul's statements about the Jewish Bible notwithstanding...he was, after all writing after the fact.  
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[b said:
Quote[/b] ] I do believe that you can believe in Paul and stillbe saved.
srry i misunderstood that. and there is one book that could claim infallibilty is Rev since it says "may nothing be added or removed from this book"
 
If you're wrong of Paul's words...then we all go to heaven? How exactly does that work? What has Paul said that would condemn those who hate the very idea of God or eternal life after this to eternal life with God? Whether they want it or not?

Atown...perhaps John was merely trying to safeguard his revelation so that one no nuts could come by and add to it further prophecies of their own. That doesn't make it infallible...just untouchable, lest you want to risk eternal damnation to hell forever and ever and ever, amen...can John do that? Did God him the authority to allow that?
 
well he did give John powers to heal others and allowed the holy spirit to come upon him so yes i do believe John has the authority to do so.
 
...heal others? One particular John got his head whacked off for not keeping his yap shut about a king and his stripper. Another John got boiled in oil and dumped on an island just because he was Christian.
Wait. Okay wait.When Jesus granted the twelve (including John) powers to heal, and raise the dead and all that...and the Holy Spirit came upon him (along with the other eleven) later in life in a house...
Still. That doesn't give him the authority to say what can or cannot be done with the Bible. Peter was among the twelve as well that received such blessings, and didn't say: Anyone screw with my letter, he meet God's bat, kapisce?
However...Revelation is a unique book. I don't pretend to know everything, and I don't know if God actually said: touch this book and be damned, or if it was John.
 
well considering the book was inspired by God and inspired could include quotes.
 
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