Predestination v. Freewill

Pop,

I would like for you to start a thread on this anti-paul stuff. I would like to see what you found that changed your mind if you don't mind sharing your newfound wisdom with us. I have read some stuff as well that I find rather interesting. Personally, I don't know Hebrew enough to make a judgement against his teachings. I have yet to find anything in the Bible where paul contradicts Christ.


Cory
 
thadduis im working on that now. pop gave me 2 websites that he used as guides and im working on a full document that disproves everything one of the sites has. the 2nd site has WAY to much that i cant do it. the one im doing has already proved extremely timely
 
How about coughing up the sites? Pop clammed up, is this come kind of cult joining thing where if you speak the URL instant death is rained on you?
Name us some URLs so we can look at it for ourselves, ATown. I have yet to see anything that disproves Paul or Christ or anything like that...or anything that makes Paul out to be the Anti-Christ and all who claim allegiance, abandon all hope.
 
all in good time ultima. i aint sayin a word about the websites unless he says its ok. dont wrry im getting ALL of it taken care of
 
Thaddius I have been thinking about that. Its is not somthing that can be done over night though. I will start writing a paper soon though. When it is finished ill post it. I will provide you a site myself. I will admit though one of the sites I sent him abused scripture and had some extremly stupid ideas. I was going by memory when I sent him the e-mail though I should have reread the site. Alot of this site will show how he twisted other scripture to meet his own ends and how he contradicted the rest of the Bible. http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/challenge.htm
 
yea, thats the site I have read.  This guy has some good points but all in all, I think he is a bit skewed.  If you read his articles, not just the ones that try to disprove paul, he is a bit off the mark.  Anyway, I have made this journey that you are making now, if you need/want to talk, let me know.

Cory


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Quote[/b] ]If we figure for 2,000 years of 360-day years from the fulfillment of the 69th week at Yeshua's triumphal entry on April 20th 31 A.D., we come on our calendar to July 21, 2002. This date is a little more than a year from the original posting of this article! This is my theory concerning when the last 7 year period of Daniels prophecy will begin. At the end of this 7 year period is when Yeshua will return and fulfill what is promised in Daniel 9:24.
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Thats from his site. I don't trust anyone who claims to know the return of Christ. This is one of the many things he wrote that turned me off to what he was trying to say. Just so ya know.
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I havent read to much of his site so he may be a bit off the mark in some cases. I think I read that prophecy part you quoted. Dident he say at the beginning that it was only a theory and he was in no way claiming to be a date setter but just theorizing? Even if he is a bit off the mark I use online studies more for guidelines than anything else. Ill take the scripture and there insights, read it for myself, think about it and draw my own conclusions. If i have any questions I will PM you. You say you have studied this before so I am sure you would have some good observations.
 
im way too busy to check it out srry. stuff my parents and my bro are happennin and stuff like taht. im still working on the first one. and all we haev are theorys that may have supporting facts but a theory is is a theory a thoery cannot be fact since its supported by facts therefor unable to be fact.
 
Where's that part to the Ephesians of Jesus saying: Hoorah for screwing away the false prophet? Revelation?
Something bugs me about his logic...he seems to be stating that his premise is this: if Paul gave a Biblical quote after a Biblical quote, then Paul is making us assume both follow in near immediacy. Yet, he jumps about Scripture quite often throughout his letters very many times. How does the rest of his jumpin around support this passage of Biblical fallacy, if all he's doing is jumping around again?
 
He does alot of that Ultima. He also believes that sacrifices are necessary for salvation. I went through a period about a year ago when this site was shown to me that I heavily scrutinized what I was taught and what I believed. The deeper I looked, the more I discounted most of what this guy thinks.

Anyway...

Cory
 
So if we can discount Paul's words as the infallible Word of God, then we can say that most of the Bible may be the fallible Word of Man, or in the infallible Word of Poo. What are we going to do after that conclusion's been made? Does God ever claim infallibility? I mean, if God makes a mistake, will everything be botched? Can God me wrong, since He claims to be the Truth (Jesus did...or at least, a recorder says He said he is)? And if he is wrong, or lies, then is He NOT the Truth, and thus not God? And if it's not God, then I can say "Up yours, morality and godliness!"
And if that's the case, eternal life and damnation are moot points. And if that's the case, my faith is shaken. What happens now?
 
God cant lie cuz God seperates himself from sin and lieing is sinful there for God is the truth
 
You missed the point: if Paul's a dirty stinking liar, then who's to say the apostles didn't just plagiarize in their editing of Jesus' journey and words, just a tad to make Him seem...more Divine? And if so, then God is a liar.

I don't believe this is true, and I don't accept it.
 
becuase their are many prophocys in the OT that refer to Jesus' miracles and his death.
 
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