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I believe in the separation of Church and State, for the protection of Christians and non-Christians.

If you think about it, all denominations have their own views of how a person's life should be run in accordance to God's will. If you ask a Non-Denominationalist, a Presbyterian and a Catholic and you will get 3 answers. We (almost said unfortunately) have all three denominations here in the U.S. So which do you use? Also, would the "Church" be defined as Muslim Mosques and Jewish Temples as well? You almost cannot, not, ask them, because they are Americans as well, they are subjected to the laws, too. Those two religions have entirely different guide lines than Christianity does.

If we have one mind set that is not preferential to any one religion or denomination, no one can complain or say that it is preferential and they have no leverage to manipulate it into being in favor of their beliefs.

It isn't as bad as some may think, imo.

And also, you don't have to be a Christian to make good decisions - Gandhi, for example, was a Hindu peace movement leader in India. He pushed for Human rights during the English rule there.
 
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Odale:
And as a Christian, how does that make you feel?
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This country was founded upon Judeo/Christian principles, not Sharia law. That fact should be respected and honored by those of other faiths. It has brought them protection. It should be upheld and honored by our courts and government. Removing this history/values/interpretation and continuing to move toward a secular state as we are doing, will only bring harsh troubles as well as persecution of those of faith.

The phrase "separation of church and state", does not appear in the Constitution itself but has been used successfully to argue for the total removal of God from governance.

Separation of church and state is a legal and political principle that can be changed at will depending on the interpretation of those in power which is why it is so important to know what the thinking is of those you vote for, and pray. It has been "construed" from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." It is traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, where Jefferson spoke of the effect of the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. Will look for that and link it.
 
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I was using GP's Canadian Sharia law as an example. It is not that different.

That fact should be respected and honored by those of other faiths.
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Are they not immigrants as well? So what sets them apart from the rest of us - nothing.

I don't see what the big deal is.

You have the Freedom to exercise your beliefs as you see fit. If we had Christian laws, then that would mean that the Jews, Muslims, Hindu's, Buddist's etc would not have that right, which IS one of the founding principals of the United States of America.

It goes directly against the foundations of The U.S. :(
 
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I do see what you're saying Odale, but we can't really erase our history. Although, in this more modern secular world it's changing. The Proof of this is our calendar. It's full of Christian holidays, such as Easter and Christmas. These have become nationally recongnized holidays at the federal level. Are we supposed to take it off the calendar now because it may offend the Muslims or Jews who came to this country? Or are we to add all of the other religious holidays recognized as well? That'd be a lot of days off work!
 
Actually we kinda do already, when a business gives you time off for Easter its usually called spring break and for Christmas its just called the holiday season or winter break or whatever the business deems PC
 
Odale said:
And as a Christian, how does that make you feel?

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Wiki link to Sharia Law.
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If I choose to live in a muslim nation where Sharia law was the rule of law, as a Christian I'd have no problem. I have choosen not live in such a nation. Am I the last person alive with such common sense?

If Atheists and Muslims or whomever has a problem with "In God We Trust" why don't they choose to live in a nation that does not have that as the nations motto?

Speaking of holidays, I think it would be fair to give all faiths the opportunity to observe their religious Holy days. Persons of non-faith can work Sunday to Friday every week of the year with the required by law 1 day per week off. No Christmas break for their kids in school, or Easter for that matter. If they persons of non-Faith are serious about thier positions, then they should stop getting any benefits bestowed upon them. I'm not a Jew, so I wouldn't personally observe their Holy days, but as an employer, if there was a Jew on my payroll, I'd give them leave to observe them, and by the same token they would not get leave to observe Easter. Sounds fair, right?

But when it comes to fair for most of the world, its only fair if they win and Christians lose.
 
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Odale:
You have the Freedom to exercise your beliefs as you see fit. If we had Christian laws, then that would mean that the Jews, Muslims, Hindu's, Buddist's etc would not have that right, which IS one of the founding principals of the United States of America.
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This has been a Christian Nation from its birth. Just look at our documents, our monuments, our founding fathers beliefs. Christianity shaped the thinking of America's fathers and informed the making of public policy and common law and is why we became a great nation. Other faiths still have the right to practice, that is not being denied. Not sure what laws you are thinking we have or will put in place that plan on denying them that right, I am puzzled. ~.~

Oh, here is a great link to statements associated with our founding fathers:
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=8755

The further we move away from our history and Christian values in our laws, and into secular liberalism, the less freedom Christians will have to publicly talk about their faith without paying a price. Here is an article you might be interested in Avesther about a situation in Canada where a Priest is being investigated for using scripture to defend traditional marriage:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66247

(hope the links work, not real good at the linky techy stuff)
 
*picks up soapbox*

This is probably the best "change" Statement i have read in years. it goes hand in hand with the very, very wise statement " be the change you want to see in the world"

it starts with you, no further than that.

* walks away* :)


Razilena said:
One way to really fight the changes in the government is to really make a personal difference. I agree with people trying to fight to keep the Christian statements in public places however if we focus our energy on what we do personally its gonna make as much of a difference if not more.

For instance if you write "In God We Trust" on one bill envelope: First its gonna stand out because its something that isn't usually there. It has a chance of being noticed by the mail carrier, at least 3 other postal workers through the sorting process, the other mail carriers that deliver it to its final destination, the employees at the company that process the bills.

Or if you make a plaque of the Ten Commandments and post it on your door: Every person that comes to your home sees it....the girl scouts and kids that bring fundraisers, the pizza delivery guy, your friends and family, etc.

I think its easy to feel powerless to combat large organizations such as the government. Don't let the enemy make you feel that way. You have much power if you start with your own front door.

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Zazzy said:
I do see what you're saying Odale, but we can't really erase our history. Although, in this more modern secular world it's changing. The Proof of this is our calendar. It's full of Christian holidays, such as Easter and Christmas. These have become nationally recongnized holidays at the federal level. Are we supposed to take it off the calendar now because it may offend the Muslims or Jews who came to this country? Or are we to add all of the other religious holidays recognized as well? That'd be a lot of days off work!
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The vast majorities of our Holidays are Christian based. I don't see what you mean. If we did have Christian law, then would we not have more Christian holidays? We already have Separation of Church and State, so what makes you think they are disappearing?

Gods_Peon said:
If I choose to live in a Muslim nation where Sharia law was the rule of law, as a Christian I'd have no problem. I have chosen not live in such a nation. Am I the last person alive with such common sense?
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But you live in a nation that is not under such Religious laws. People are trying to change that. How does that possible change, make you feel as a Christian?


Goodwone said:
Other faiths still have the right to practice, that is not being denied. Not sure what laws you are thinking we have or will put in place that plan on denying them that right, I am puzzled. ~.~
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I am assuming that God is not "ok" with other people practicing pagan religions. If we were a Christian state, following God's word, then it is only logical to think that practicing anything other than Christianity would be illegal.

Sure, other religions have the right to practice their faiths now, but that may not be the case if we had Christian Law.

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ps: don't be skured, God's in control.
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Don't you think that if I was scared, that I would be for Christian Law, and not for the Separation of Church and State? God IS in control, therefore, we do not need humans to impose his will. It is only our job to enlighten others to Christianity, it is between them and God if they want to follow his rules.
 
Also, do you think Muslims, Jews, Hindu's etc would like to have to follow Christian Laws?

It is very alienating.
 
Odale said:
Also, do you think Muslims, Jews, Hindu's etc would like to have to follow Christian Laws?

It is very alienating.
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One shouldn't go through life always having the heart to please others.
 
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I think one should always take time to ponder someone else's views, perhaps not always please them.

That could be said of either side of the coin here - please Christians (of which there are many) or please non-Christians (of which there is also a good amount).

I think that the Separation of Church and State is good because it gives all religions common ground on which to voice their opinion and be heard, that is one of the founding principals of this nation, and Separation of Church and State helps that happen.
 
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