Misconceptions about Atheism

it is clear that not all men will go to heaven. it is like poverty. we cannot get rid of it. however we can make a signifigant difference with each different family individually.
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anyway, dv, nice new avatar. i feel sad for you, not because you don't believe, but you are so hmm... not the criticalness, but i just don't know how to say it.

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anyway, i just ask you guys to find a GOOD church, that believe the right thing (not protestism or catholicism {i listend to "deeds" by sanctus real}but in the bible), and not the kind of mumbo jumbo church that keeps preaching god is love. he is, but you need to get to the meat of it!
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i find that lots of churches repeat many things over and over again. >.< x.x then just go. you don't have to believe. >.> anyway, i have no idea why i cannot express myself right now... X.x
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Genesis1315 @ Oct. 22 2004,9:47)]Sorry for not explaining in clearly. I will give it one more shot tonight.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]The Christian God chooses to not provide sufficient evidence to convince all men that he exists.
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1. The Christian God wants all to come to Him. So, if He wants everyone to come to Him, He would provide evidence that would allow all to come.

2. "All Men" is not true since He has already provided evidence to many.


According to the Christian God, we all have free will and can make decisions on our own, regardless of the evidence that He provides.
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I think you're stumbling over the term "all men".

Just replace that with EVERYONE.

But look at what you're saying,

""All Men" is not true since He has already provided evidence to many."

Let's assume that God does exist. According to you, He has provided evidence to MANY. See where I'm going? He may have given evidence to MANY, but He hasn't given evidence to EVERYONE, or all men. Therefore, assuming God exists, He does NOT want everyone to come to Him. If He did, then everyone would have evidence.

That leads to two conclusions:

1. God does not exist.

2. God doesn't want everyone to come to Him.

Again, the original argument stands.
 
We could go back and forth on this for a while. All men, everyone, todo el mundo, etc. He provides the proof. It is up to us to accept it.

again, point #2 is wrong. The Christian God states it in His book that He DOES want everyone to come to Him
 
Heres some information for you so callewd Athiests to read up on.

Atheism is generally defined by most dictionaries and encyclopedias as the "disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of God or gods." [1] (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=atheist)

Some atheists [2] (http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html) [3] (http://kenneth.moyle.com/aa/atheism1.htm) distinguish between two variants:

* Weak atheism, sometimes negative atheism, is the position that there lacks reason to assert the existence or nonexistence of gods. A weak atheist abstains from positive judgment and retains tolerance of the possibility of the existence and nonexistence of gods. Weak atheism is not equivalent to agnosticism, although there is often an overlap. A weak atheist maintains that there lacks sufficient evidence to certainly claim the existence or nonexistence of gods.

* Strong atheism, or positive atheism, is the belief that gods do not exist, which is different from a lack of theistic belief. Strong atheists often cite logical impossibilities and other a priori arguments intending to demonstrate theistic concepts of godly omnipotence, omniscience, and/or transcendance are contradictory and/or internally inconsistent.

Critics of strong atheism contend that atheism requires faith due to a supposed impossibility of proving negatives; an assertion that there are no gods requires omniscience to be certain there are no gods in the universe. Strong atheists counter that for most mainstream concepts of gods this is a straw man fallacy, since strong atheism is based on a priori, rather than a posteriori arguments. Strong atheists consider it irrational to assert the existence of a god whose existence transcends human logic and/or the, albeit incomplete, laws of physics. Other strong atheists, whom rely on evidential grounds, maintain the case for the nonexistence of gods is supported by more evidence than the case for the existence of gods, and that negatives are possible to prove.
 
wtg byb le oooooooo Way to gather information;)
Although, I do like the blind faith, too, just knowing that you know!  I find it endearing
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I must admit, the strong arguments w/o proof, but knowing that you are right, often give me a chuckle!
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I admire your strength of faith to stand on that alone!
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Christianity is an Abrahamic religion religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament. Although Christians generally characterize themselves as monotheistic, the one God is most commonly, but not universally, thought to exist in three persons, called the Trinity. Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah as prophesized in the Old Testament of the Jews. Christianity encompasses numerous religious traditions that widely vary by culture, as well as thousands of diverse beliefs and sects; over the past two millennia, Christianity has been grouped into three main branches: Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestantism. Collectively, it is the world's largest single religion, with over two billion followers.
 
Uh, what was the point of posting that Byblos?

That's what we've been telling you all along.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Christianity has been grouped into three main branches: Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestantism.
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Have you finally come to your senses and agreed that Catholicism is indeed Christianity?

(BTW, just a form of ettiquite, if you post someone else's material (definitions, etc), you should post the link where you got it from)
 
Uh. Most all modern breeds of Christianity branched off from Catholocism...so I don't see how it's nonsense. Jesus never preached about protestanism either.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (ByblosHex @ Oct. 23 2004,6:54)]no.... That was from an Encyclopedia... I dont remember Jesus ever speaking of catholicism... so its nonsense..
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If you don't believe what the encyclopedia had in its article, then why the heck did you feel the need to post it?

I don't remember Jesus ever speaking of Protestantism, Baptists, Methodists or Cavalry Chapels either.

YOU are the one not making any sense.
 
@ Bill... I know Jesus didnt preach about any of those things that is why they are nonsesnse. they are inventions of humans.. I only follow the word of God.

Calvcary Chapel is the name of the building which teaches God word as directed with no doctrine or rules or books outside of the holy bible.
 
From their website:

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Quote[/b] ]Calvary Chapel has been formed as a fellowship of believers in the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
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Cavalry Chapel is more than the name of a building. The building is named AFTER THE GROUP. That's according to Chuck Smith. Remember him? The guy that said the rapture was coming in 1981?

Need more convincing?



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Quote[/b] ] On the other side, you've got Calvary Chapel, and a few churches like it, fishing all by themselves in the ninety percent pond.
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Quote[/b] ]The philosophy of Calvary Chapel is giving and ministering rather than taking and being ministered to.
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Quote[/b] ]When we started at Calvary Chapel in 1965 with only 25 people, I was determined that I would make those 25 people the most knowledgeable people of God's Word in all the harbor area.
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Quote[/b] ]In conclusion, I believe Calvary Chapel has a biblically sound and balanced understanding of the church
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All those quotes are from Chuck Smith and are easily accessible from their website.

As you can see Byblos, they PROVE that Calvary Chapel is not just the name of a building. It is a Church and has been labeled a denomination.

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Quote[/b] ]@ Bill... I know Jesus didnt preach about any of those things that is why they are nonsesnse. they are inventions of humans.. I only follow the word of God.
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Jesus never preached about Calvary Chapel, but you have no problem learning from that group.
 
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Quote[/b] (ByblosHex @ Oct. 23 2004,10:50)]@ Bill... I know Jesus didnt preach about any of those things that is why they are nonsesnse. they are inventions of humans.. I only follow the word of God.

Calvcary Chapel is the name of the building which teaches God word as directed with no doctrine or rules or books outside of the holy bible.
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*cough DOUBLE STANDARD cough*
 
Not a denomination.. we have no own tules, no own doctrine, no own scripture... Only the Bible

We use the Bible... and Jesus did teach to learn from it. Unlike those other denominations which have their own little books and docrines added onto it and their concentration on money and gold.. no thanx,
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (ByblosHex @ Oct. 24 2004,7:25)]Not a denomination.. we have no own tules, no own doctrine, no own scripture... Only the Bible

We use the Bible... and Jesus did teach to learn from it. Unlike those other denominations which have their own little books and docrines added onto it and their concentration on money and gold.. no thanx,
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When was the last time you actually looked at Calvary Chapel's webpage?

It DOES have rules and it DOES have DOCTRINE. There's a whole page consisting of statements of faith (or beliefs).

By claiming nondenominationalism and adhering to a set of beliefs, it has become a denomination unto itself.

Sorry to break it to you, but most protestant denominations don't have their own scripture...the use just the Bible. Nor do they have a concentration on money and gold.

No little booklets? From their webpage: "You can start to study the Bible by going through our New Believers Booklet."

ALL Calvary Churches are founded on the same principles and follow the doctrines set forth by Chuch Smith.
 
We dont have rules or doctrine.. we dont have a dress cose.. our only rules are the ones in the bible..
Adhering to Christianity doesnt mean we must be our own denomination... Not all of our buildings are called Calvary chapel anyway.

Well if they only go by the bible then they are not a denomnition...

I never said anything about little booklets, we have a book store on our building that sells all kinds of books....

Calvary Chapel Philadelphia has nothing to do with Chuck Smith except some financial support. as Joe FOcht has had his group and church way before Calvary chapel existed... The only book we ever read is the bible... the only thing ever taught is the Bible.. Chuck Smith is never mentioned nor are his beliefs.
 
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