Hey everyone, I’m new here, and I wanted to get your guys’s(or girls’s) thoughts about this. So just a few minitues ago, I watched a video on tiktok about a guy that said that Minecraft is a satanic and evil game because of the final boss fight aka the ender dragon and they used some scripture about when satan was casted into the bottomless pit for a thousand years and that it correlates to the ender dragon in Minecraft and I also read on a website that it promotes p0rn, s3x tr@ffi€ing, satanism, and other evil things. I’d like to hear your thoughts on this and let me know.
Is Minecraft Evil?
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Aleron
Eh?
I haven't watched the video, but over the years I've seen and heard various folks say this or that game, music, movie, tv show, whatever, is satanic. Many times they post these thoughts simply to generate hype and traffic to their social media sites.
The Bible in Proverbs 17:24 calls us to be discerning.
The Bible in Proverbs 17:24 calls us to be discerning.
AbbeyJoy04
New Member
I dont beileve it is... I play it all the time. and I just thought it was to teach you about survival and to create houses and craft swords, Axes, and stuff. and just basically kill monsters and tame wolves
I believe something is truly evil about it. My daughter started playing it when she was about 5 years old. She told me after a few days that the devil was in her head and that she liked him... she was very upset. So we deleted the game and it stopped. Then she tried again at age 7 and had to delete the game (I didn't know about this attempt). Then she played the game again at almost 9 years old and just told me that it happened for the 3rd time and that she deleted the game forever. When she deletes the game, it stops.
Krissa Lox
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Usually I try to avoid these types of discussions because, as someone who's both a Christian and a digital developer, I don't want to dissuade anyone's personal ideas/expressions/convictions about spiritual content in mass-market media, while also feeling that ultimately the real underlying issue is the mass-market economy itself, not some kind of intentional, goal-oriented plan carried out by nefarious developers.
However, your particular experience here strikes me as being more likely related to a couple of very objectively practical problems with manageable practical solutions that the gaming community has been negligent of in risk mitigation and resolution, so I'll give you my two cents on those particular things in case you might find them of some kind of help or comfort.
Basic Summary:
1. Most young girls aren't going to have a good experience playing survival games alone without other trusted friends or family members playing together with them. Generally speaking, scenarios of feeling alone in a vast wilderness with an everpresent risk of violent attack is more likely to trigger perfectly healthy and positive defense responses of feeling endangered and overwhelmed and running to find other people for help, not inspired to start foraging for resources to build a fortress, craft weaponry, and develop combat skills to deal with the violent threats themselves in the way the genre typically expects.
2. While Minecraft itself isn't fundamentally a survival game, it starts out in survival mode by default, which can end up being a pretty stressful experience if that's not what you were expecting and don't know how to turn it off or that turning it off is even an option. Overall I think it's a good game with a lot of positive potential, but there's a lot of negligence in its consideration for new players that can cause some real instances of distress and frustration for those trying to learn to play on their own without others to guide them.
In light of those points, I'd be willing to guess that what most likely happened is not a result of actual evil spirits, but that the stress-inducing horror aspects of unexpectedly encountering a survival scenario unprepared might have caused your daughter to experience a very real trauma response that she doesn't know how to process or express. And I think it is perfectly legitimate and reasonable to be upset about that, because Minecraft knows many parents buy the game thinking of it as a creative building game for their kids (which it is, just not straight out of the box if they're not already experienced with survival games and/or don't get easily frustrated by fast-paced-but-clunky combat and frequent death and item loss while they're trying to figure stuff out), so I don't think they have a lot of excuse to not have a more kid-friendly starting process.
That's not something I would consider as "evil" in the spiritual sense, but I do consider it as objectively and morally wrong.
Just so I sound like everyone justifying (or blinded by) their gaming addiction, I'll say this. What could possibly be demonic about a game premised on making magic potions, enchanting items and building a portal to hell?
Don't be dumb! Satan is waaaay more obvious than that! He never comes as anything beautiful, childish, deceptive or innocent, right? Right?...
Think about this. If God calls witchcraft idolatry and idolatry adultery then playing a game where you practice witchcraft is like fantasizing about bowing to idols and cheating on your spouse. I don't think God is happy with it.
Krissa Lox
Active Member
You seem to have somehow gotten hold of a very different version of Minecraft than I or anyone else I know have ever played. You have my sympathies if that's really the experience you've had with it.
If a satanist considers it satanic, believe him.
Quote: “Left 4 Dead? Satanic. Call of Duty? Satanic. Minecraft? Mega-Satanic, the Satanists I spoke to said. “You can build every little thing—put a torch where you want it, a tunnel, a walkway, a moat. That’s very Satanic,” explained Satanist reverend John H. Shaw.”
Source: https://kotaku.com/satanists-say-video-games-help-them-practice-their-reli-1819226570
Quote: “Left 4 Dead? Satanic. Call of Duty? Satanic. Minecraft? Mega-Satanic, the Satanists I spoke to said. “You can build every little thing—put a torch where you want it, a tunnel, a walkway, a moat. That’s very Satanic,” explained Satanist reverend John H. Shaw.”
Source: https://kotaku.com/satanists-say-video-games-help-them-practice-their-reli-1819226570
Krissa Lox
Active Member
When a godly man enters a certain space, he brings his God along with him. Likewise, when a satanic man enters a space, Satan accompanies him as well.
So as a godly man will undoubtedly find God in any place he goes, a satanist will also see Satan in everything he does too. But if the two enter the same place together, God will ultimately win out because He is stronger and more powerful than Satan.
So I would disagree with the value of mature Christians taking the opinions of satanists seriously on just about anything, although there is wisdom in not playing games with satanists if you're not feeling like you can do some fruitful outreach for Christ in the process. But that's a different subject entirely, concerning the evil within or accompanying them as a person, not evil inherent within a particular game.
Eco
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I just made an account to say that yes, I think Minecraft has had covert dark occult symbolism of demons and malevolent gods since 2020. It was mostly introduced in that summer with the Nether Update and in 2022 with The Wild Update. The Nether Update changed what already existed to introduce bartering piglins, representing the Biblical possessing demon Legion, & lilin; and it introduced netherite, which has symbology including Saturn & adamant, the material that medieval & renaissance scholars thought bounds demons in hell. 2022 introduced the warden monster & sculk blocks, representing Moloch or Ba'al, the Canaanite chief deity and god of child sacrifice; and it also introduced the underground ancient cities representing tophet, or the ritual site of Moloch / child sacrifice to Ba'al. I was about to type a whole new essay about it, but I saved what I had typed out for tomorrow or the day after, since it's pretty late for me and I would probably ramble on. This infograph has most of the information about it, though (the file is too large to attach it to the message directly). There will be a video about it in the future. There was also a lesser amount of symbolism added in 2021, which involved the the order of introducing things (goats & mountains) & moving them, and numerology, which I didn't cover in the infograph.
I'm sorry to hear that your daughter went through that. I've only experienced apparent demonic activity during periods of participating in D&D campaigns myself, but as an adult. For a child to deal with that breaks my heart.
Despite the information above, I do have some suggestions for parents that still want their children to be able to play Minecraft, and players who don't want to give it up. There are older versions without any noticeable dark occult symbolism, I believe (anything pre-1.16). I'd recommend versions 1.12.2 for modding ability, overall gameplay, and quality of life, followed by beta 1.7.3 (b1.7.3) for its simplicity and ease of play, or 1.7.10 for a happy medium with a lack of frivolous additions. Though, 1.15.2 works fine for playing something as close to modern MC as possible without any noticeable covert demonic symbols. Many players don't purchase the game, by cracking it and playing on a cracked server if they want to do multiplayer. (Although for legal reasons I don't condone doing this, the creator of Minecraft supported doing so before it was bought by Microsoft, and it's very easy to do with a cracked launcher.
) As a third tip for disappointed gamers, there are plenty of other voxel games that seem just as good. Vintage Story is a popular one. There's also Minetest, which is a free and open source version of Minecraft that was/has been created alongside Minecraft since it was still all the way back in development. It's more barebones than Minecraft, designed to be modded to the user's preference, and it's possibly the easiest game to mod as a result. I originally started using mods to take the symbolism out of standard Minecraft when I first noticed the symbolism, but there's so much of it now that it's easier to just play an older version; which are arguably better versions to begin with; or a different game.
I think the symbolism suggested by the TikToker you watched is just coincidental. Dragons and outer space are pretty common fantasy tropes, and their addition in the initial release of the game seems solely inspired by such works of fantasy. As for a relation to "p0rn" & "tr@ffi€ing," every videogame has p0rn mods on the darkest reaches of the internet, and predators can operate anywhere without adult supervision. I think Roblox, and Discord, are generally much more dangerous in that regard, since you're either able to easily travel between worlds/servers, meet more people on them, and/or message people privately on them (I don't play Roblox, so I don't know if you can message privately or not there).
I'm sorry to hear that your daughter went through that. I've only experienced apparent demonic activity during periods of participating in D&D campaigns myself, but as an adult. For a child to deal with that breaks my heart.
Despite the information above, I do have some suggestions for parents that still want their children to be able to play Minecraft, and players who don't want to give it up. There are older versions without any noticeable dark occult symbolism, I believe (anything pre-1.16). I'd recommend versions 1.12.2 for modding ability, overall gameplay, and quality of life, followed by beta 1.7.3 (b1.7.3) for its simplicity and ease of play, or 1.7.10 for a happy medium with a lack of frivolous additions. Though, 1.15.2 works fine for playing something as close to modern MC as possible without any noticeable covert demonic symbols. Many players don't purchase the game, by cracking it and playing on a cracked server if they want to do multiplayer. (Although for legal reasons I don't condone doing this, the creator of Minecraft supported doing so before it was bought by Microsoft, and it's very easy to do with a cracked launcher.
) As a third tip for disappointed gamers, there are plenty of other voxel games that seem just as good. Vintage Story is a popular one. There's also Minetest, which is a free and open source version of Minecraft that was/has been created alongside Minecraft since it was still all the way back in development. It's more barebones than Minecraft, designed to be modded to the user's preference, and it's possibly the easiest game to mod as a result. I originally started using mods to take the symbolism out of standard Minecraft when I first noticed the symbolism, but there's so much of it now that it's easier to just play an older version; which are arguably better versions to begin with; or a different game.I think the symbolism suggested by the TikToker you watched is just coincidental. Dragons and outer space are pretty common fantasy tropes, and their addition in the initial release of the game seems solely inspired by such works of fantasy. As for a relation to "p0rn" & "tr@ffi€ing," every videogame has p0rn mods on the darkest reaches of the internet, and predators can operate anywhere without adult supervision. I think Roblox, and Discord, are generally much more dangerous in that regard, since you're either able to easily travel between worlds/servers, meet more people on them, and/or message people privately on them (I don't play Roblox, so I don't know if you can message privately or not there).
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