Ignorance is bliss?

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Quote[/b] (Rithkil @ Oct. 19 2004,11:36)]To not believe in nothing? I think that requires faith. Life seems so....so...hopeless.
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It's only hopeless if you look at it that way. If life is only meaningful when there's promise of something afterwards, then why do you not die now?

And no, atheism does not involve faith.
 
@ Athiests

You canot prove God doesnt exist and you belife that to be true. Thereofr you have FAITH that God doesnt exist.... Unless you have somewhow proven God doesnt exist
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Quote[/b] (ByblosHex @ Oct. 19 2004,2:11)]@ Athiests

You canot prove God doesnt exist and you belife that to be true. Thereofr you have FAITH that God doesnt exist.... Unless you have somewhow proven God doesnt exist
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No, there is a difference between 'belief' and 'faith.'  We believe that there is not a god.  We do not have faith that there is a god, because we are basing our belief on evidence and the lack thereof.  Faith is something that you have INSTEAD OF evidence.
 
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Quote[/b] ]It's only hopeless if you look at it that way. If life is only meaningful when there's promise of something afterwards, then why do you not die now?

And no, atheism does not involve faith.
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FAith is required in every belief. Otherwise, you don't believe it. It takes more stubborness/faith to not believe in a creator than it does. Do you guys understand what I mean.

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Quote[/b] ]That only proves you don't understand what faith is.
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No, it doesn't. It proves that to not believe in ANYTHING would require alot of strength. IF you don't believe in anything, how do you be good? Life would get confusing. Do you understand what I mean?
 
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Quote[/b] ]FAith is required in every belief. Otherwise, you don't believe it. It takes more stubborness/faith to not believe in a creator than it does. Do you guys understand what I mean.
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Take a breath. Now listen.

You are correct when you say that every belief system requires faith.

You are INcorrect when you assume that atheism is a belief system. It is not.

Atheists claim they do not have enough evidence to believe in a god. That is NOT a belief system. It is an antithesis to a belief system.

It would only take stubborness to REFUSE EVIDENCE. However, no logical, reasonable evidence has ever been given for the existence of any god.

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Quote[/b] ]No, it doesn't. It proves that to not believe in ANYTHING would require alot of strength. IF you don't believe in anything, how do you be good? Life would get confusing. Do you understand what I mean?
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It doesn't take any amount of strength or faith. Atheists will ONLY believe in something that has evidence. That's it, end of story.

It's not confusing at all. You don't need God to have morals. I am a good man. Mr. Bill is a good man. Jim is a good man. ALL WITHOUT GOD. It's only confusing to those who believe all morals come from God...which is incorrect.
 
Maybe this might help Byblos...

Basic atheism is not a belief. It is the lack of belief. There is a difference between believing there is no god and not believing there is a god--both are atheistic, though popular usage has ignored the latter
-Dan Barker

Can you understand the difference?

This may also help (I hope you actually take the time to read it):
http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/atheismreligion.html

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Quote[/b] ]As mentioned in the Introduction page, there is a subtle but important difference between "believing there is no God", and "not believing there is a God". The first is a belief, the second is a lack of that belief. I don't know any atheists who "believe" God (take your pick, there are plenty) does not exist. All the atheists I know simply do not believe God does exist.

There is a big difference between positively believing that a thing does not exist, and simply lacking belief in it's existence. In many cases, atheists will say "That God does not exist", not because they choose to do so, but because, from the description of the God, it cannot exist due to contradictory attributes. In the same way that a square circle cannot (and therefore does not) exist, a God defined as (for example) all-knowing, yet cannot see into the future, cannot and does not exist because the definition is self-contradictory. If you describe your God with self-contradicting attributes which make it logically impossible, then I may safely say that such a thing does not exist as described. This is not faith - this is reason.
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Quote[/b] ]Take a breath. Now listen.

You are correct when you say that every belief system requires faith.

You are INcorrect when you assume that atheism is a belief system. It is not.

Atheists claim they do not have enough evidence to believe in a god. That is NOT a belief system. It is an antithesis to a belief system.

It would only take stubborness to REFUSE EVIDENCE. However, no logical, reasonable evidence has ever been given for the existence of any god.
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Athiesm is a belief. One belief is stubborn, one belief is not convinced. It is believing in the absence of a belief. Thus, it is a belief. Even if it isn't, it requires faith to not believe in anything anyways. That's what I meant.
 
Christianity is a belief system.

Atheism is not believing in the absence of belief. Now YOU are being stubborn
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Read this sentence:

There is a difference between believing there is no god and not believing there is a god.

Can you see the difference?

When you put your key in the car, do you have faith that it will turn on? Of course not. Experience has taught you that it is a TRUTH, you know for a fact that it will turn on.

If you throw a ball in the air, do you have FAITH that it will come back down? Of course not, there is no need for faith.
 
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Quote[/b] ]When you put your key in the car, do you have faith that it will turn on? Of course not. Experience has taught you that it is a TRUTH, you know for a fact that it will turn on.
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mmmmm Depending on the car, that may be more of a faith thing
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Now, back to the topic instead of atheism vs. christianity...

Ignorance could be bliss depending on how motivated one is.
 
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Quote[/b] (ByblosHex @ Oct. 19 2004,5:44)]Faith = Belif without Evidence.

You have no evidence that god doesnt exist so you have faith that he doesnt.
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I am tiring of people informing me of what I believe. There is no 'faith' in my belief. I think DV illustrated the point very well in that there is an important difference between not believing in a god and believing that there is no god. And of course there is evidence that god doesn't exist--we base our beliefs upon evidence.
 
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Quote[/b] ]When you put your key in the car, do you have faith that it will turn on? Of course not. Experience has taught you that it is a TRUTH, you know for a fact that it will turn on.
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That's not a belief system. That's not a good analogy. Turning on your car is an action. Unless you BELIEVE in your car, you don't need faith. Believeing in God is not a single action.
 
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Quote[/b] ]I am tiring of people informing me of what I believe. There is no 'faith' in my belief. I think DV illustrated the point very well in that there is an important difference between not believing in a god and believing that there is no god. And of course there is evidence that god doesn't exist--we base our beliefs upon evidence.
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I am not saying what you believe. I was saying the different type of athiest. I explained what I thought about believing there is no God and not believing there is a God Check this quote from me:

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Quote[/b] ]Athiesm is a belief. One belief is stubborn, one belief is not convinced. It is believing in the absence of a belief. Thus, it is a belief. Even if it isn't, it requires faith to not believe in anything anyways. That's what I meant
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Do you understand what I mean? I can explain it again if you want me to.
 
Atheism isn't a belief system either. I have given you plenty of links so you could understand that. You have either ignored them or do not understand them.

NOW...

If you would like to continue this conversation, I suggest moving to the appropriate thread, namely Atheist Misconceptions.

Gen was kindly trying to drive this thread back on topic and we should be kind enough to respect that.
 
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Quote[/b] (Rithkil @ Oct. 20 2004,10:56)]
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Quote[/b] ]I am tiring of people informing me of what I believe.  There is no 'faith' in my belief.  I think DV illustrated the point very well in that there is an important difference between not believing in a god and believing that there is no god.  And of course there is evidence that god doesn't exist--we base our beliefs upon evidence.
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I am not saying what you believe. I was saying the different type of athiest. I explained what I thought about believing there is no God and not believing there is a God Check this quote from me:

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Quote[/b] ]Athiesm is a belief. One belief is stubborn, one belief is not convinced. It is believing in the absence of a belief. Thus, it is a belief. Even if it isn't, it requires faith to not believe in anything anyways. That's what I meant
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Do you understand what I mean? I can explain it again if you want me to.
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I am sure that there are some atheists in the world who rely on faith for their beliefs, but I don't see any here who do, and that is certainly not the norm. Atheistic thinking is based largely on logic, and logic contradicts faith.
 
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Quote[/b] ]Atheism isn't a belief system either.  I have given you plenty of links so you could understand that.  You have either ignored them or do not understand them.

NOW...

If you would like to continue this conversation, I suggest moving to the appropriate thread, namely Atheist Misconceptions.

Gen was kindly trying to drive this thread back on topic and we should be kind enough to respect that
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I understand what you believe. You believe in nothing or you can't believe. That is what you are saying. Either way, nothing is for certain. Am I correct?

Yes, let's put it back on topic.
 
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