Hating America

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Quote[/b] (JoBlow @ July 13 2004,2:50)]I get what u're saying and it makes sense I'm not born again, but when I was younger I did do the whole bible study thing. I don't remember most of it though.
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*notches his respectometer up a notch for JoBlow*

Honestly, not knowing you very well, I was not expecting such a response. I was bracing myself for more of an unrelated belittlement, which is what quoting the Bible usually gets me ;). Hats off, Mr. Blow, for your civility. You're obviously willing to look at things from a perspective other than the "I'm right and you're wrong" leanings most people have - an uncommon and most desirable trait.

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I think there are alot of people that call them christian but arn't really. They don't go to church because they want to, they do it because they've been told to.
U don't know how many lectures I get from my family for not going to church.
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Probably about as many as I did
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Seriously, though, there was some guy, I'll try to find his name - it was during the middle ages, when government became the church and vice versa. My wife was just telling me this the other day, he read the New Testament and said something to the effect of "either this is not true, or we are not Christians." The latter, of course, being the case.
 
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Quote[/b] ]I think there are alot of people that call them christian but arn't really. They don't go to church because they want to, they do it because they've been told to.
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w00t, we can agree on something!!!!

--Espresso, I agree with you as well, not a comment I was expecting.  Pats JoeBlow on back for realizing there is a difference.

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Quote[/b] ]U don't know how many lectures I get from my family for not going to church. But I don't want to go just because someone tells me I have to, if I go I want to go because I want to.
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Don't go because somebody tells you to.  Go becasue that little voice inside you is drawing you to go to church.  Jesus doesn't want pew warmers or people who call themselves christian because they go to church, tithe and do and say all the right things.  Jesus came to save the sinners, not the righteous.


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Side note, I totally agree, that Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure was totally Excellet Dude and aptly named. All puns intended.

Put them in the Iron Maiden...
Iron Maiden? Excellent
...And execute them.
 
Have a good time.

Have a good time.

off topic: Keanu Reaves was a great Hockey player(goaltender). He was actually going to be in the NHL draft, but he gave it up to act. Think about how lucky we are. What would the world be without Bill and Ted, and The Matrix.
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Just came back from a friends house was watching satalite TV and watched Opera 3 hours ahead of time. I also know all the answers on Wheel of Fortune.
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I want a satalite dish now. I watched CTV alberta, and CTV toronto. cool eh.
 
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Quote[/b] (JoBlow @ July 13 2004,5:17)]off topic: Keanu Reaves was a great Hockey player(goaltender). He was actually going to be in the NHL draft, but he gave it up to act. Think about how lucky we are. What would the world be without Bill and Ted, and The Matrix.
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But we would also have been spared Bogus Journey, Point Break, Speed, A Walk in the Clouds, The Devil's Advocate, Johnny Mnemonic *shudder*, and most importantly, the last two Matrix movies.

I do love Excellent Adventure and the first Matrix flick, but...those others are really, really bad movies. The problem, of course, being that they were mediocre to begin with. When you add in one of the worst actors of our time, it doesn't make for quality cinema. EA didn't require much acting, and The Matrix was on such a level, storywise (did you know that it is grammatically incorrect to add -wise to any word? It makes a non-word) that it could easily compensate for the big KR, especially given the quality of the performances of the other actors (Hugo Weaving especially).
 
well there was that other movie of his that I liked where he mets this latin girl who's pregnant and had to go to her parents house but was finding it hard to tell them that she's not married. So Kean goes with her and they pretend to be married, then fall in love. I enjoyed that movie more than matrix.
And Devils Advocate was good, but it was more because of Al, Charlese than Keanu.
 
First you have to look at who they asked. They asked teenagers. Now, these aren't official statistics but I'd say that at least 90% of all teenagers have absolutely no idea what is going on in their government and will pick the side that their favorite pop-star is on. Secondly, they then asked French-Canadians. It's not suprising that a country that we're having conflict with, has people who don't like us. Thats like asking the Kurds if Saddam was a wonderful leader. Most of the people they ask for things like these are usually very ignorant on the subject and are die hard Moore fans who would rather hate america and complain about it, rather than help it. "You never lifted a finger to help, so you have no right to point one now."

I didn't read the latest replies, so this might seem a little irrelivant. This is simply the reply of the first post.
 
Good points s1lentOp, you certainly have to look at who they asked questions. Not necessarily the best demographic to look at. Teenagers and young adults tend to be very impressionable and idealistic. If the media says this, they tend to follow en masse.
 
I think teenagers know what their talking about. Maybe less than 10% did't know what they were talking about. But I think we should trust their opinion. Most schools have probobly studying the topic. And if u watch the news its everywhere, and i think they pick up on it. And u can't put French Canadians and the French together.
Wasn't yahoo and Google(or was it Altavista) started by teenagers.

Plus when has americans not stated their point of view on matters that don't concern him. Wasn't Bush telling the Euro. that they should(or shouldn't) take Turkey in to their union.

Canada will be getting Al Jazeera on sat or digital cable. Its a very cool channel, now we can get the story from both angles instead of just one.
 
JoBlow, when school starts, go to your school and ask your classmates if they know who the secretary of defense is. See how many people know.
 
I'm not in school anymore, I'm 22

Oh yeah its Rumsfeild. Does anyone in the world not know that, he was on tv alot with the prison pictures.
But my 13 year old cousin knows who he is.
 
You'd be suprised. Do a little research on it and you'll see what I'm talking about.
 
Thats ok your The RZA. And I think in canada lot of the prorams we get are from america, so most people here know who rumsfeild is. But I think in the UK u have more original english programs.
But i guess if u watch BBC news u wshould know. I find BBC more unbiased than most of the canadian and american news programs.
 
That's cause you didn't read about the scandals - BBC is a joke.

Also, about teenagers - I believe they can pick up on things alright, and can have valid, well thought out opinions. The simple fact of the matter is that most people, not just teenagers, are ignorant when it comes to world issues, now and in the past. Just because you studied something in school (and I'd bet that they didn't study the current events much, as many - not all - teachers are lazy, and if it's not in the curriculum and the answers aren't in the back of the teacher's edition, forget about it. On NPR, they asked several people who won the French-Indian War. No one answered correctly - not a single person. I know for a fact, if you went to school in the USA, they covered it in one of your history classes, but people still didn't know.

Where I'm going with that is that without a firm grasp of history, it is impossible to make informed, intelligent evaluations on the current state of global/international politics. Things are the way they are now for a reason, and without regards to those reasons, it would be very difficult indeed to understand the potential repercussions of a particular course of action. That's why that old cliche is an old cliche - "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." There's that, and also a basic lack of knowledge concerning the way systems (e.g. governments) operate and why they do so in such a manner. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, certainly. But when you get right down to it, many of them (concerning politics and government esp.) are ill informed.
 
was it French, or is it Italy when napoleoon got exiled.
I don't know never covered it in school, but I think I read about it somewhere.
 
It was the British ;). What's remarkable about most American's ignorance of this war is that without it, there would be no America as we know it. As a result of the war, the French army was ashambles and Britain was given control of North America east of the Mississippi, minus New Orleans via the Treaty of Paris. The French ceded their other holdings to Spain as compensation for Spain's ceding of Florida to Britain.

A little over ten years later, another war started. At least most people can remember the winner in this one - you know, the Revolutionary War. How do the two tie together? War is expensive, and the French-Indian War was no different (remember, the British won). How do you think the British tried to recoup some of the cost? You guessed it - taxes! I'm sure we all can recall the whole taxation without representation (even if we can't recall exactly what that means
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) and that little tea party in the Boston Harbor. It's highly unlikely that these events would have occurred without a catalyst like the F-IW (which, I can't be sure, but I think was also called the Seven Year War...too lazy to look it up). Sure, Independence may have been sought eventually, but when? And would it have been successful at any other time? Fortunately, we don't have to make those speculations, as it was successful at the time it did happen.
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