Genesis 36:24
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Pheonix28
Slave to Christ.
I was trying to figure out what you were asking until I noticed the KJV.
יֵּמִם֙
Here's how the word is translated
Translated
hot springs ESV, NASB95
mules KJV 1900, AV 1873
springs NIV, NRSV
water NKJV
Ιαμιν Logos LXX
(These are the versions Logos pulled automatically, many are missing)
Hot springs: the meaning of the Hebrew word is uncertain, as it occurs only here in the Old Testament. Translations very greatly in the way they render this word. Most, however, refer to “water,” “spring,” or “hot springs.” NEB, which has “mules,” has been revised by REB to “hot springs,” and both of these versions admit in their footnotes that the Hebrew is uncertain. If hot springs are unknown, translators may follow the ancient Syriac, as do FRCL, Speiser, TOB, and NAB, to say “water.”
A Handbook on Genesis, UBS Handbook Series
יֵּמִם֙
Here's how the word is translated
Translated
hot springs ESV, NASB95
mules KJV 1900, AV 1873
springs NIV, NRSV
water NKJV
Ιαμιν Logos LXX
(These are the versions Logos pulled automatically, many are missing)
Hot springs: the meaning of the Hebrew word is uncertain, as it occurs only here in the Old Testament. Translations very greatly in the way they render this word. Most, however, refer to “water,” “spring,” or “hot springs.” NEB, which has “mules,” has been revised by REB to “hot springs,” and both of these versions admit in their footnotes that the Hebrew is uncertain. If hot springs are unknown, translators may follow the ancient Syriac, as do FRCL, Speiser, TOB, and NAB, to say “water.”
A Handbook on Genesis, UBS Handbook Series
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I am King James only preaching to a King James only crowd. I'm pretty well versed on the background of the verse. What I'm looking for is how many people see hot springs and how many see mules. With the huge number of versions available currently, I'm interested in what more people see.
Kahiel
Active Member
In other words, who's using KJV and who's not.
Abba San
Legacy of Elijah [LoE] - Proud Grandfather
I looked in the 23 versions I have on my computer - 22 said water or hot springs - one (KJV) said mules - one (Young's Literal) just transliterated the word Imim.
It is a hapax legomenon - occurring only once in the text - so I think most of the version committees simply used context and the root meaning (hot) to come up with hot springs.
KJV seems to stand alone on its translation as "mules."
It is a hapax legomenon - occurring only once in the text - so I think most of the version committees simply used context and the root meaning (hot) to come up with hot springs.
KJV seems to stand alone on its translation as "mules."
Looking at the history of the word and it's use in older versions I assumed it would be more widespread in today's translations. A large number of the reformation era Bibles translated it as mules as well as several Jewish translations. I was not trying to make a King James only point. Merely discover what most people saw as they read the text. I just believed it was more widespread than it is. It is used in other versions than just the KJB but the ones I've found all try to claim KJ roots so that's understandable.
Again, I was not trying to make a KJB point. I merely assumed it was more varied in today's translations and wanted to see what the majority saw as they read it. Next time I guess I'll do a versions check before I ask.
Thanks everyone.
Abba San
Legacy of Elijah [LoE] - Proud Grandfather
That's what the forums are for - just checking. Thanks for asking.
Kahiel
Active Member
Understood. Sorry for misunderstanding. All the translations I am familiar with translate as water or hot spring.
ursen
Officer SOE/LoE/Where's "here"?
What I would also ask is if there would be a term or word usage from the time of the first writing of the KJV that would have implied, or be understood as, a spring or referencing water using the word mule. There are references in KJV that do that kind of thing.
edit: All I need do is look at differences in word usages in different parts of our country to understand that point. How many uses of the word mule are in our current society? Not counting the old game.
edit: All I need do is look at differences in word usages in different parts of our country to understand that point. How many uses of the word mule are in our current society? Not counting the old game.
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Neirai the Forgiven
Christian Guilds List Manager
I'm going to be bold and outright say it:
When it comes to this stuff, the newer the Bible, the better.
Biblical scholarship is an ongoing struggle with (often very badly damaged or terribly kept) scrolls and archaeology and with a dead language that nobody truly knows. But our researchers and our understanding of scripture is getting better over time. Our translators know a lot more about what they're doing that King Jimmy's did.
That said, of course, beware modern political crap in your Bible translations. But if the translation is a serious one. It WILL be better.
When it comes to this stuff, the newer the Bible, the better.
Biblical scholarship is an ongoing struggle with (often very badly damaged or terribly kept) scrolls and archaeology and with a dead language that nobody truly knows. But our researchers and our understanding of scripture is getting better over time. Our translators know a lot more about what they're doing that King Jimmy's did.
That said, of course, beware modern political crap in your Bible translations. But if the translation is a serious one. It WILL be better.
Odale
Active Member
What do the verses around Gen. 36:24 say? Context would help a lot here.
It's all genealogy. It's just a random (Nothing is random in the Bible. God put it there for a reason) blurp in the middle of a genealogy string.
Odale
Active Member
Just to shed all the light on the verse in question:
Bam. These were retrieved from biblegateway.com.
I'm going to have to agree with Neirai on this one, but with a caveat - our knowledge of these ancient languages increases everyday; however, these are still just translations of the original. If you want to know the original meaning (you can read that as "true meaning" if you'd like) then you need to become a biblical scholar and learn these ancient languages.
KJV said:
NIV said:
NRSV said:
Bam. These were retrieved from biblegateway.com.
I'm going to have to agree with Neirai on this one, but with a caveat - our knowledge of these ancient languages increases everyday; however, these are still just translations of the original. If you want to know the original meaning (you can read that as "true meaning" if you'd like) then you need to become a biblical scholar and learn these ancient languages.
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A natural spring would have wild life so it's easy to say both translations are correct. We also got to take into effect the point that I'm sure the translators researched maybe what specific areas this part of the Jewish people populated. Done research on the geography of the area and also maybe this area was know for its wild mules bc the presence of a natural spring. Not everything in the bible isn't always black and white.