Gay Marriage

[Kidan]

Quote[/b] ]But even the term "single-parent family" is a misnomer, since the vast majority of these families--fully 90 percent--is headed by a woman. These mother-only families often receive little or no help from the child's father: nationwide, only 50 percent of divorced fathers contribute financially to their child's support, and most rarely see their children. The resulting economic deprivation and stress take their toll. Children in single-parent households score worse on measures of health, education, and behavioral problems than children living in two-parent families. Later on, these children are more likely to drop out of school, to become heads of single-parent families themselves, and to experience a lower socioeconomic status as adults. These conditions--during both early and later childhood--appear to persist even after one adjusts for family income, mother's education, and minority status.

Carneigie Site for Information That's just one of many sites that details that the two-parent, mother,father family paradigm is the ideal situation for raising children.

 

[Spyro Chan]

Quote[/b] (Kidan @ Dec. 13 2003,10:51)]

Quote[/b] ]But even the term "single-parent family" is a misnomer, since the vast majority of these families--fully 90 percent--is headed by a woman. These mother-only families often receive little or no help from the child's father: nationwide, only 50 percent of divorced fathers contribute financially to their child's support, and most rarely see their children. The resulting economic deprivation and stress take their toll. Children in single-parent households score worse on measures of health, education, and behavioral problems than children living in two-parent families. Later on, these children are more likely to drop out of school, to become heads of single-parent families themselves, and to experience a lower socioeconomic status as adults. These conditions--during both early and later childhood--appear to persist even after one adjusts for family income, mother's education, and minority status.

Carneigie Site for Information That's just one of many sites that details that the two-parent, mother,father family paradigm is the ideal situation for raising children.

I _disagree_, because once again I'm perfectly fine with being in a single parent home where my parents were never married and split up

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You see "standards" and "statistics" are a thing of the past.

 

[Kidan]

just because you are a statistical anamoly, does not change the fact that these types of families are not the ideal environment for raising children.


and how can you say statistics and standards are things of the past? the government and business both runs off standards and statistics. They are a part of your everyday life whether you wish to admit so or not.

 

[Eon]

See the difference between an ideal we should strive for and the reality we live in is... Well...

 

[Kidan]

so you admit that the two parent-mother/father family is the ideal that we should be striving for?

 

[Eon]

Of course - along with perfect teeth, no debt and quiet, well behaved children.

However, don't forget Hitler's lesson - you can't achieve perfection by simply killing everyone who's imperfect. In the same way you can't have perfect marriages by forbidding anything that strays from your perception of perfect.

There's a lot of us out here, the imperfect. Society is designed to benefit US, not some ideal people who don't exist!

 

[Kidan]

yes but when we're discussing children we have so many other legislations to ensure that they come get out of childhood safe and sound, one example is child restraints.

basically we, as a society and in general as parents, try our best to provide the best environment for our children, why should we not do so in this regard? I never said that we should go out and kill or even ostracize those who don't meet the ideal for a family, but we should not give official recoginition to same sex marriages when it's not the best thing possible for chilren.

 

[Caleb]

Talking about Gay Marriage's, I personally prefer
marrying the opposite sex, I'm not Homo. I think
Gay marriages are not good on the kid's.

 

[Eon]

Why shouldn't we? I mean, a functional homosexual relationship is a much better nurturing situation than a dysfunctional heterosexual relationship.

Eon

 

[Kidan]

because statistically, it's not functional. Homosexual couples are statisitically more likely to break up. Homosexual couples are statisically more likely to be abused/involved in domestic violence.


Then biologically a homosexual couple is not functional either. There is no reproduction.

 

[Eon]

Biologically functional? So you don't agree with disabled / infertile couples adopting the child they couldn't have naturally? How about IVF treatment?

And I'd be interested in seeing the statistics on gay marriage that you say you have - after all seeing as how there AREN'T legal marriages for homosexuals in most countries, I don't see how you could have got any figures, except by extrapolating based on long term cohabitant relationships, and I'm giving your figures the benefit of the doubt by choosing to believe THAT much. If you were to make a similar study of unmarried hetero couples, I wonder how those figures would look then?

Eon

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (Kidan @ Dec. 29 2003,7:57)][1]Homosexual couples are statisitically more likely to break up.  

[2]Homosexual couples are statisically more likely to be abused/involved in domestic violence.

[3]Then biologically a homosexual couple is not functional either.  There is no reproduction.

1. Yet they cannot marry. Funny, huh? Gays are more likely to break up, so we won't let them marry.

2. I'd like to see where you found those statistics. Really.

3. The Roman Catholic Church holds to that belief...so if a man is shooting blanks and knows it...he is not allowed to marry.

 

[Atown]

MAN LET THIS DIE! and yeah where did u get those figuires?? and plus its a tendancy for gays to be ugly and ugly people shouldt breed

 

[Fleck]

umm atown hate to break it to ya but you're the one who bumped it after about 10 days...

 

[Atown]

no big j did.

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (Atown @ Jan. 10 2004,2:02)]no big j did.

Check the dates, dude:

Eon: Dec. 29, 2003, 10:17
Big J: Dec. 29, 2003, 1:54

(OK, the times will probably be off if you have it set different...but check the dates. I did not bump it. I responded to Eon, that's it.)

 

[Kidan]

I can't find the original statistics for it, but here's an article I found in my quick research.

http://www.888webtoday.com/beezley387.html

 

[ToJ | Dead_Aim]

My opinion on the top lies in Romans 1:20-21 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so thatmen are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became a futile and their and their foolish hearts were darkend.

26-27: Because of this, God gave them over shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged unatural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way men also abandoned natual relations with women and were inflamed in lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

32: Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continued to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Guys not only do we need to not support Gay marriages or relations period we need to be fully against it with a passion. To accept it is to fail God.

 

[Eon]

Ladies and gentlemen, after that party political broadcast from the 14th century we will now return you to your scheduled viewing...

 

[Drelin]

ToJ | Dead_Aim

Quote[/b] ]Guys not only do we need to not support Gay marriages or relations period we need to be fully against it with a passion. To accept it is to fail God.

So you don't think a same sex relationship is morally or biblically acceptable. But what are you saying? Do you think that such relationships should be against the law? Should same sex couples not be granted the same legal rights as hetrosexual couples?