Gambling

isn't called a "monthly subscription plan" but does the same thing? Except you never actually get any money back...
 
Well, the way I see it, it's not a problem because I'm getting that money back, tenfold at least, in the form of pleasure.
And before you say F2P, I think the time we spend playing is much, MUCH more valuable than the most expensive subscription game in the world, if you like it.

However, I do get pretty upset when the roll fails me sometimes, but I signed up for the raid with that in mind, and all is fair. My only problem is with ninjas.
 
Faith without works came to mind when I posed this question but I felt the need for input, and what I'm hearing and learning is that we as followers of Christ tend to focus on the sin more so than the sinner and of course we can't eliminate sin but we can direct the sinner to the One who can. Lol I guess I can cast my picket sign with the rest of the lot into a fiery pit and convict!
 
cc.slim said:
Faith without works came to mind when I posed this question but I felt the need for input, and what I'm hearing and learning is that we as followers of Christ tend to focus on the sin more so than the sinner and of course we can't eliminate sin but we can direct the sinner to the One who can. Lol I guess I can cast my picket sign with the rest of the lot into a fiery pit and convict!
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I don't understand what you are saying. It may be clear to you it isn't to me. But then, thats me. I'm the one who gives Paul a run for his money when it comes to the worst sinner of all time.
 
I guess I always thought it's the reason behind the act. Why a person does something like gambling and what there trying to achieve by doing it which is important.

For myself I buy a ticket every year for a lottery that a couple of the hospitals put on here, its not cheap ($100.00) but I find it worthwhile. Reason I do is they describe what they buy with the proceeds and how it will affect others. This year it's a Computerized Hemodynamic Monitoring System (to sum it up quick its a machine to help with heart surgery that costs millions) for the Royal Alexandra Hospital and a specially-equipped Cardiac Hybrid Operating Room at the Mazankowski Alberta Heart Institute. They also send something out after the lottery confirming what they did with the funds so you know they followed through.

So after 4 years of doing this my winnings add up to zero :) but I'm completely happy with it as I do feel it is helping others and I get to see the result of spending my cash.
 
Long and preachy:

TLDR version instead:

In the end, it is about relationships. I'm not sure what is meant by Faith without works. Are you talking about stopping bingo \ casino from being built, or about creating an outreach program to help people who have gambling problems who would visit the said establishment.
 
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Dude just because some people have problems with chasing their losses and stupidly play in the hope of 'making it big' instead of for fun, doesn't mean that they should deprive that from all of us. I'm making a crappy RPG for warcraft 3 (making the ENTIRE middle earth, its different from the rest of the rabble), and I'm not going to take out the % chance to drop system just because some people may desperately want that item and play 24 hours a day for a year just to get it (though I'd be flattered if my game was THAT good). In fact if taking chances was bad we'd never get anywhere. You are gambling your life the moment you step out of the door. Or not. Who's to say just by staying alive you're not takin risks?

Soz casinos are ok just that we should tax them moar. And they should be forced to do what cigarette companies are doing in the developed world. Health warning on label. Warnings should be plastered all over the place. That way, no one can claim 'I didn't know'.
 
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When I started playing poker online (with play money), the idea of playing with allowance came up. I asked friends/family, and they thought I was nuts. So I turned to the word of God, and came up with nothing. No where do I see it outlawed. Personally I see it as entertainment if done in moderation, because $5 playing penny poker can go a lot further than it does at the movies.

Of course, there's the argument of whether or not it is controlling you and becoming a big deal. There's also the question of is it wise to mess around with something that might become a problem.
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Soz casinos are ok just that we should tax them moar. And they should be forced to do what cigarette companies are doing in the developed world. Health warning on label. Warnings should be plastered all over the place. That way, no one can claim 'I didn't know'.
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Casinos tend to be pretty deplorable. Everyone knows the odds are against them; no warning label would help with that. People go because of their greed and hopes of making it big.

Things tend to be very risque there, the games are set up to bleed you dry quickly, and drunk folks are everywhere. I checked the local ones here (tons of them on the "sacred" Indian land!) and none of the poker tables had less than $100 buy in. That's a good chunk of change to blow, if you ask me. Too rich for my blood!
 
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RyanB said:
When I started playing poker online (with play money), the idea of playing with allowance came up. I asked friends/family, and they thought I was nuts. So I turned to the word of God, and came up with nothing. No where do I see it outlawed. Personally I see it as entertainment if done in moderation, because $5 playing penny poker can go a lot further than it does at the movies.

Of course, there's the argument of whether or not it is controlling you and becoming a big deal. There's also the question of is it wise to mess around with something that might become a problem.

Casinos tend to be pretty deplorable. Everyone knows the odds are against them; no warning label would help with that. People go because of their greed and hopes of making it big.

Things tend to be very risque there, the games are set up to bleed you dry quickly, and drunk folks are everywhere. I checked the local ones here (tons of them on the "sacred" Indian land!) and none of the poker tables had less than $100 buy in. That's a good chunk of change to blow, if you ask me. Too rich for my blood!
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For what it's worth, I agree with you that this would seem the trend. Still, I went to a casino a year-ish ago. I wandered the floors and stuck with penny slots. I gave myself five bucks to play with. It lasted me a few hours of entertainment.

And a truckload of complimentary fountain drinks.

I got more than five bucks worth of entertainment and tasty (non-alcoholic) drinks there. Not saying "everyone should enjoy casinos" or anything like that. Just sayin' that I've enjoyed it in a way that I really can't call immoral.
 
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For what it's worth, I agree with you that this would seem the trend. Still, I went to a casino a year-ish ago. I wandered the floors and stuck with penny slots. I gave myself five bucks to play with. It lasted me a few hours of entertainment.

And a truckload of complimentary fountain drinks.

I got more than five bucks worth of entertainment and tasty (non-alcoholic) drinks there. Not saying "everyone should enjoy casinos" or anything like that. Just sayin' that I've enjoyed it in a way that I really can't call immoral.
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Yeah, wouldn't say they're all that bad. A lot places have a "casino" room in a convenience store with penny slots...no half-naked cocktail waitresses to be found. I'm sure a lot of places aren't too bad during the day in the middle of the week, and maybe some aren't at all. I just don't trust those carnie folk.
 
hahaha thats awesome! Free stuff and only 5 bucks. Here we have to pay a $100 entrance fee...
But hey I enjoy the buffets made better and cheaper by being sponsored by the casino, no need entrance fee or age 21 for that (its 21 in singapore, 4 more years of waiting lawl).

But seriously, which part of the Bible, or apocrypha for that matter, says we can't gamble? Anything can get out of hand and be a snare to you. We're all gamblers. We log into our games not knowing if we will win or lose, and the stakes are our statistics and time. I believe generally everything in moderation, at acceptable standards suited to each person.

If I earn 100k a day, I can afford to throw in 1k a day no problem. However if I only earn 1k a year, then I'd be hard pressed for a few dollars.
 
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cc.slim said:
Gambling has left Vegas and landed in our heartland via Bingo casino's and it's presence is being felt. I need food to approach and convict in wisdoms way. What does God say about this?
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I was reminded here of the roman soldiers who cast lots for pieces of our Lord's clothing.
Why would they do that? For fun perhaps?
Has life become nothing more then a mere game?

You must ask yourself why does anyone gamble?

When you roll the dice for a piece of epic WoW loot and loose for months on end how do you feel?
You persist and you win yet you know you could get even better epics. A game of chance within a game.

Addiction can be found in any game.
Would you gamble your life, family and friends away because your addicted to a game of chance?
Common sense says No!
But you do it anyway in hopes of the big win.

In life we have choice. Do or do not.

Gambling on a sure thing this is wise when we give our lives to Jesus but to gamble in this world you will surely loose.

If your a Christian you have already won and there is no need of such a vain thing to do but if you are of this world then you have nothing to loose in gambling. At least that is what the devil would have you believe.
 
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cc.slim said:
Gambling has left Vegas and landed in our heartland via Bingo casino's and it's presence is being felt. I need food to approach and convict in wisdoms way. What does God say about this?
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Well Slim here is some food for ya.

I don't see anywhere that gambling is a sin. However it can lead to problems if you allow it and you must realize that this gambling is a part of this world.

Jesus said he came from god and was not of this world.
Now we as believers we may be in this world but you must remember that as believers in Christ we are the body of Christ. We are transformed into His likeness and although we are still in this world we are no longer of this world.

If gambling can cause problems then that is a red flag.
Gambling games that cause you to spend money just to find out you loose it can cause bad emotional outbursts which can cause someone to sin.

There is one game that Paul in 1 Cor. 9:24,25 spoke of that as Christians we should follow his example.

1 Cor 9:24,25 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.

Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things.Then they do it to receive a perishable prize, but we an imperishable.

Slim you said you need food to convict in a wise way.
Thats all I can give ya. Laters :)
 
Jesh man oh man you nailed me almost as fast as Christ! To cast lots in with those whom cast lots for Christ Clothing wow Nailed my thought! Blood stained clothes from a man tortured. Hmm All I had to do is ask and my whole life got covered with out a penny wagered by just giving me all in. I have been to the local casino's and hehehe i love the buffet and free soda's and set limits upon myself to lose hehehe a minimal amount of mola. But while I am there sucking down a soda or gourging on prime rib how does one witness lol tough spot huh? Jesus says be with the sick ok so me is there what next? Instinct or heart says just don't go there to begin with and I have not since I posed the question.
 
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cc.slim said:
Jesh man oh man you nailed me almost as fast as Christ! To cast lots in with those whom cast lots for Christ Clothing wow Nailed my thought! Blood stained clothes from a man tortured. Hmm All I had to do is ask and my whole life got covered with out a penny wagered by just giving me all in. I have been to the local casino's and hehehe i love the buffet and free soda's and set limits upon myself to lose hehehe a minimal amount of mola. But while I am there sucking down a soda or gourging on prime rib how does one witness lol tough spot huh? Jesus says be with the sick ok so me is there what next? Instinct or heart says just don't go there to begin with and I have not since I posed the question.
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Don't worry cc.slim, I won't judge you for going to a casino.
 
Don't go in with what you don't feel comfortable losing. Not what you can't AFFORD to lose. You can afford to lose half your stuff. But it would be devastating. Now, if you lost 20 bucks, not ideal, but you bought a fun night out with 20 bucks. Yes you did. ONE night out. Go get an mmo you get more value for your 20 bucks than an hour of poker :D
 
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