Do you or dont you do halloween?

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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 09 2003,12:21)]No ill just move to Yisrael when I get the money.  
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 On a serious note I have no control over that however I do have control wether or not I call it easter or ressurection day.
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You do realize that you will be about as welcome there as Muslims are?

The Jews want Christians there about as much as they want Muslims...although...

As a goy, you would lose much of your rights...you know that, right?
 
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Just please don't use Jack Chick as a reference, K?

It was a pagan custom, as is pretty much everything.

It did not involve killing people.
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I have never heard of jack chick. It has been about a year since I last looked at it but this "holiday" is both deeprooted in sadism and the occult. And you know when sadinsm and the occult are involved somone gets killed.
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Sure you have. www.chick.com

Look...I hope this doesn't shake your belief system as much as it did mine...but the whole satanic ritual killing thing is an urban legend.

I am not saying that nobody has been killed in the name of Satan. Sure they have been. What I am saying is that this whole belief that there is some occult group/satan worshuppers out there that on a large scale that mutilate animals and kill people...it just aint so. Are there stupid people (induhviduals or small groups) that do it? Sure. Just like there are small "Christian" groups/induhviduals that believe that killing gays is acceptable.

And finally...Kidan is very correct...Christmas...Easter...Thanksgiving...all based on pre-Christian ideas. They were just "Christianized" so to speak.

IMO = In My Opinion
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
IMNSHO = In My Not So Humble Opinion
IIRC = If I Remember Correctly
 
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Quote[/b] (exodus @ Oct. 09 2003,4:12)]please tell me why I  can't celebrate it
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(for the record, again, I don't celebrate it by choice)

The Holy Spirit has not said 'go worship satan on halloween' but the Holy Spirit has given me liberty under Christ. The connection you are missing is you are saying this is sin. I am saying, while it may be sin for you the possiblity exists it may not be sin for someone else and I don't think you are even considering that an option.

I suggest you re-read Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 8, you sound alot like the early Christians who were condemning others for eating meat sacrificed to pagan gods.
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I dont believe you should celebrate it because it is a pagan holiday. BigJ no I had no idea that I would lose most of my rights as a goy although I ment that as a joke. As far as what you said about they want us as much as muslims want christians. I dont believe that there may be some like that but we have done alot for the Jews. I dont know the website I provided had an interview with a guy(thats if the artical hasent changes sinnce I last read it) who gew up in a satanic home and they would do sacrifices. Ill check out this chick thing after this post.
 
so again, I ask, should we celebrate Christmas?  it is after all a pagan festival celebrating the winter solstice.  The tree is a Germanic worship (the gods of the woods) the gift giving harkens back to a legend of Odin (and most of the stories about Santa Claus are actually legends of Odin)  Mistletoe is part of Celtic rituals for the winter solstice.. the list goes on an on.  The only non-pagan Christmas time holiday that exists is Chanaka (sp?), yet we choose to celebrate the pagan festival over the Jewish one....

Most Christian holidays are pagan ones.  Even Easter isn't ran on the proper week.  Easter should be around the Passover feast, and often it's a month or more before the Passover feast..
 
And to think the resserection of Yeshua shouldent even be called easter. Should we celebrate christmas all I can say at this time is I dont know.
 
MrPop, that was the exact argument the early christians used about not eating meat sacrified to idols.

Problem is, eating the meat wasn't an issue unless you thought it was an issue.

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1 Cor 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
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This is the essense of liberty.Meat doesn't make us good or bad in God's eyes. Neither do the holidays you celebrate.

So condemning someone else for celebrating a holiday you deem to be inappropriate is wrong.

If I can steal from the psalmist, the sacrifices of God are a broken spirit and a contrite heart.
 
why would you have a problem celebrating God's greatness on the same day that someone else celebrates their belief in their god, should you not have enough pride to step forward on october 31st and praise God rather than simply say its a pagan holiday and say that those who praise God on October 31st are celebrating a pagan holiday?
 
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Quote[/b] (4t0p @ Oct. 09 2003,8:14)]why would you have a problem celebrating God's greatness on the same day that someone else celebrates their belief in their god, should you not have enough pride to step forward on october 31st and praise God rather than simply say its a pagan holiday and say that those who praise God on October 31st are celebrating a pagan holiday?
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Those who praise God on that day there is nothing wrong with them God should be praised daily. However to do it in honor of a pagan holiday I do not believe God wants that.
 
Well, then you HAVE made a decision regarding Christmas.

Since I was a youngen, we read the story of the birth of Christ on Christmas Day. We have continued that tradition on with our own children. Does God not want that?
 
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Quote[/b] (SSquared @ Oct. 09 2003,8:34)]Well, then you HAVE made a decision regarding Christmas.

Since I was a youngen, we read the story of the birth of Christ on Christmas Day.  We have continued that tradition on with our own children.  Does God not want that?
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I dont know if christmas was originally pagan or not. If it was then no if it wasent then yes.
 
Christmas was originated to compete with the pagan celebration of the solistice if I recall correctly,

So according to popdrinker we shouldn't celebrate it,

Although I still fail to see why celebrating God is a bad thing, Christmas was placed at that time of year for a reason (to help gain converts and provide a diversion to the pagan ritual) ~ would that not have been God's will? You seem to be the only one who can properly interpret God's Will in this whole message board so please enlighten me!
 
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Quote[/b] (4t0p @ Oct. 09 2003,8:43)]Christmas was originated to compete with the pagan celebration of the solistice if I recall correctly,

So according to popdrinker we shouldn't celebrate it,

Although I still fail to see why celebrating God is a bad thing, Christmas was placed at that time of year for a reason (to help gain converts and provide a diversion to the pagan ritual) ~ would that not have been God's will? You seem to be the only one who can properly interpret God's Will in this whole message board so please enlighten me!
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I only do my best to adhere to God's word. I dont agree with everyone and believe that they are in some ways misled but do they not feel the same about me? So your sarcasm is uncalled for. Now christmas was created to compete therefore it was not originally pagan the I myself have no problem celebrating it but if you do not wish to go ahead. However as far as christmas is concerned it has become quite pagan as of late. Stop adulterating it with santa clause.
 
well i'm not gonna restate my argument again. its getting pretty clear you aren't reading my arguments, or the scripture that I am using, so i'll leave it at this. Some of the younger believers of the Church of Corinth used YOUR EXACT ARGUMENT and they were wrong.

Read it yourself ... 1 Cor 8. If you want to respond to that, great I'd love to debate it.
 
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Quote[/b] (exodus @ Oct. 10 2003,12:11)]well i'm not gonna restate my argument again. its getting pretty clear you aren't reading my arguments, or the scripture that I am using, so i'll leave it at this. Some of the younger believers of the Church of Corinth used YOUR EXACT ARGUMENT and they were wrong.

Read it yourself ... 1 Cor 8. If you want to respond to that, great I'd love to debate it.
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Sure ill respond to that. This is not eating food that was sacrificed to idols. This is about celebrating a idol. I think by anyones standards and most surly God's celebrating a idol is sinfull.
 
i tell my children the truthe of the seven chruches and halloween.
it is this...the seven churches steal from the Lord's Treasury and fill their bellys, and halloween is a pagan holiday.
But as i have the TRUTHE in me, i can even go into the temples of the false gods and eat of the meat offerings, for they have not a hold over me.
THANKYOU YESHUA.
SO THEN NO LESS i am allowed to take my children to gather up the candy on halloween and we may all sit down to eat of it, for the gods of halloween are also false but the candy is REAL AND GOOD TO EAT. AMEN
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THANKYOU YESHUA FOR our brother Paul.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1YESHUA IS THE LORD. AMEN
 
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