Do not buy pepsi!

Why is it, in North America (I suppose some European countries as well), you can go to a restaurant and order a hamburger with extra fat and fries dunked twice and then when asked what drink we will have, we choose diet (anything) thinking somehow that makes it all better?

I suppose thats marketting for you.
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actually i do that.

I don't drink diet sodas for their dietary properties,  rather I drink it due to problems with my teeth (i get cavities VERY easily due to the number of meds i was on at birth) and the sugars in regular sodas (and candy, and other highly-refined sugar products) feed those nice bacteria that so enjoy attacking my teeth nearly immediately.  


So just cos you see someone order a bunch of fatty foods and then a diet coke, doesn't really mean anything. As always there are multiple reasons for any one action
 
Well, I am not dissing you. Or the people who have real concerns such as diabetics. Sorry to have offend you, that was not the intent.
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Dec. 14 2003,5:53)]The only people it could really offend would be the atheists, and to be honest I cant see how they could really be offended all that much.
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Honest opinion from an atheist:

I don't really care if you have "under god" in the pledge, nor do I care if my money says "in god we trust." It does bother the heck out of some atheists.

I disagree with having those two things there, but it is not something that I feel strongly enough to fight for. Why? It is just words. The only thing I do feel is that the two phrases should be recognized for what they really are: propaganda from the cold war against the "godless" commies.

I don't care if you have a nativity scene in a park. As long as you allow Jews to put up a similar sized menorah, a muslim to put up...I dunno...a crescent moon, and you allow a pagan to put up a "birth of Mithral" display. And as long as I have the freedom of speech to laugh at all of them.

Forcing people to conform to your practices is wrong. Having a school run prayer is wrong. While it may not happen for a while, odds are that there will eventually be a school district with a non-christian majority, at which point, there could be school led prayer to, say Allah. So, isn't it better to just say "feel free to pray on your own?" And before somebody says it, no, it is not illegal to pray at school. It is just illegal for a school to lead the prayer.

Finally, as a private company, Pepsi has every right to put the pledge without "under god" or include it as they see fit. Likewise, you have every right to buy Pepsi or switch to Coke. ;)

Let the flames begin.
 
 
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Quote[/b] ]I don't care if you have a nativity scene in a park.  As long as you allow Jews to put up a similar sized menorah, a muslim to put up...I dunno...a crescent moon, and you allow a pagan to put up a "birth of Mithral" display.  And as long as I have the freedom of speech to laugh at all of them.
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That is the way it should be.
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Quote[/b] ] So, isn't it better to just say "feel free to pray on your own?"  And before somebody says it, no, it is not illegal to pray at school.
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Actually I have heard of cases where children have gotten in trouble for praying at their lunch.
 
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Quote[/b] ]Actually I have heard of cases where children have gotten in trouble for praying at their lunch.
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I have heard and read about kids being suspended for praying to Jesus at school. So, long as you don't say Jesus, they say, you can pray.
 
lol, diet just doesnt taste the same. i like orange soda. thomas kemper is good stuff too but to expensive. jones soda is pretty good but to whacked of flavors. jolt doesnt taste that great. and MOUNTAIN DUE THE KING OF SODA!
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Dec. 15 2003,3:05)]Actually I have heard of cases where children have gotten in trouble for praying at their lunch.
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I agree that it does happen. It is not supposed to.

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I will be right beside you fighting for the right of your child to pray over his or her lunch without getting suspended.
 
I agree for the most part with the atheists opinion - except for the bit where he's allowed to laugh openly at me. After all - one's freedom to swing one's fist ends at another persons nose, doesn't it?

The problem comes when Secular and Theological law end up butting heads at the fenceline. The seperation of church and state is designed to ensure that this fenceline occurs in the home, in the community but NOT in a state run school.

Of course it should be fine for a Christian child to say a QUIET prayer over his lunch, but it shouldn't be aloud, and it shouldn't be something he encourages others to do at school. Otherwise we're crossing the line between personal observance and indoctrination.

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I don't see how that would be indoctrination?  I don't think it would be indoctrination simply because you hear a prayer.

Would that also apply to the Islamic children who pray 3 times a day in school in front of the whole school?  Is it indoctrination because somebody sees it?

Does it apply to Wiccans who speak about what they are doing, will be doing during Halloween?

Why are people so afraid of Christian Doctrine that they stand up against it?  Meanwhile they spew that we should be more tolerant of others?

What would happen if we told Islamics that they could no longer observe Ramadan publicly?  Or told them we are changing it to be more polictically correct?

Why is it that we are quick to remove any symbols of Christianity from the schools yet allow Hindus to continue to wear their turbins?

Why is it when you go into a class and speak of Christ as your Lord, you are asked to quiet it down, while if you talk about a Pagan Goddess, you are pointed out as a champion and an example of tolerance and acceptance?

Why is it only ok to say Jesus Christ in school is when you are using it in a profane way?

Why is it okay to invite Native Americans (or Native Canadians) in to school to perform their spritual dances.  Or to invite leaders of the muslim community to discuss and educate people on Islam.  While a Christian guest speaker is never, ever invited?

It seems to me, Christianity is the only topic in the world you are allowed to be intollarant against and get away with it with everybodies blessing.

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Why is BigJ only one of a handful of peole who are the exceptions to everything above?

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its becuase of the liberals who want to use the goverment to control any and all things and Christians are the only ones standing in their way.
 
Let me try and illustrate by example.

1. You see a Viking out for a morning walk. Do you say:
a. Morning, Mr Vikingsson, my that's a nice sharp axe!
b. Run! Run! Lock up the valuables! Hide the children!

2. You are a small country in Eastern Europe. One morning you notice lots of Germans in tanks on your border. Do you say:

a. Morning Mr Oberst Deustche - your tanks certainly are large!
b. Call out the militia! Get Kofi Annan on the line!

3. You are a Wiccan/Asatruar/Plains Indian and you see a zealous Christian meeting and smell woodsmoke. Do you say:
a. Morning Mr. Hopkins, mind if I join the barbecue?
b. Quick, hide the Druid, here comes another 1,000 years of persecution, oppression and disinformation!


Or to put it bluntly - you guys dirtied your tickets. You had a nice long shot at being top dog religion around European parts and you blew it with a catalogue of abuses and atrocities that would make a Middle Eastern dictator blush. For the same reason as Christians don't feel comfortable when Islamists are in ascendency, Pagans don't feel comfortable when Christians are in ascendency - something about a key part of your religion being to stamp out the worship of other Gods makes us not want to let you guys get too carried away again!

It might not be representative of today's Christian community - although take a good long, hard look at the US midwest before you answer that indignantly - but attempted genocide tends to make people a wee bit twitchy!

Eon
 
hhehehe nice example but on the viking one i would say nice axe, just becuase lotr:rotk. and people look to much at the roman cathlic mistakes during the roman empire where the cathlics even changed their faith to include local legends and myths (i.e. druids celebrated a type of holoween and cathlics said hey thats in our faith too.). also the oprresion in england when the church of england punished non-cathlics, and they all came to America. so yeah what ur saying is true but, you have not poked holes in my believe in the evils of liberals so im sticking to that
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