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Damar, you're so close to being right. Close. But wrong.  
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Since you're already kind of perverting our whole goal and exaggerating examples (with Biblical backing, no less, ho ho ho), allow me to as well.

If you read the Old Testament, you will see that God often COMMANDED his people to go out and kill every single person AND animal of pagan enemies. And, uh, that was in real life, too. Notice, also, that as this was a justified war, God permitted it.

Now, lets fast-forward a bit. We Christians, God's people, are now going out and playing an fps, a shooting GAME. Game, meaning it's not real, like the Isrealites did in the past. Our enemies are often much the same - perhaps not pagans, but only because they hold no deity in their minds - athiests/agnostics. LOOK EVEN FURTHER and see that within this game between the two "rival" groups there are two MORE rival groups, Terrorists and Counter-Terrorists. Let's even assume that the Terrorists are fighting for something like religious freedom! (After all, terrorists usually have a cause.) So now, as a counter-terrorist, we are fully justified by killing terrorists, our enemies, in a justified battle. OR, if we're terrorists, we're fighting for our religion against those who would opress us. I'd say this is pretty justified.

HOWEVER! We are not even playing, as we have stated, to go out and kill the idolators! Our goal is to bring others to Christ! So now we are engaged in a fully justified but also fully SIMULATED war, and we are even trying to make amends! Now, how can that be bad?
 
Just for the record - some of the things that "the Lord" told the Israelites to do would be considered atrocities now. Abominations even.

Eon
 
Mweh, heh, ehhe. Nice try.

Only by trying to use the Old Testament, you've just made an ass out of yourself. Mr. Eon - a very good point. Old Testament is out of bounds.

As a Christian, you see, you've clearly got only two options: 1) Go out and fight evil in real life - that is, stand on the street corner and beg Damar Stiehl to listen to you when he walks by or 2) Sit and fight evil on personal level, if you need to that is - abstain from sex, computer games, porn, rock music, etc etc etc - because they have the APPEARANCE of evil, and therefore they ARE evil, and you should avoid it.

I'm just trying to show how hypocritical the concept of a "Christian clan" is. Tek7, instead of trying to intimidate me, try your concepts on me before turning out your big bad article. Damar Stiehl doesn't scare easily, you see, but you can try to argue...
 
Explain to me this. Why exactly do you consider computer games evil? Do you consider board games evil as well? How about card games?

Cory
 
Damar, Tek was not trying to intimidate you, Tek was telling you that if you do not improve your attitude and refrain from posting curses he would ban you. Not intimadation, rather punishment for breaking the rules.

Now on to your misconceptions about Christain Gaming Clans.

The internet is a powerful tool. A means of entertainment, communication, and who knows what else the future may hold. Now your comments about the Bible are all semi-valid points. As Christians we should avoid the appearance of evil, now tell me this, how exactly is a fps Game Evil? Porn, fornication, thes are evil, they destroy the mind, yet a simple shooter game how is it? You say "It's evil" But there's no example of how.
And then you must also remember that Christianity is a religion of justification by faith.
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Quote[/b] ]Act 13:39 and by him everyone who believes is justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.


But you also must remember that Paul instructs us to "Be all things to all people if it brings someone to the saving knowledge of the Son of God"
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Quote[/b] ]1Co 9:22 To the weak I became as weak, that I might gain the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some.

This is what we try to do as a Christian gaming clan or community. We preach God's word and love throughout the gaming community. Because God has commanded us to do so, as well as the fact that we enjoy games.

Remember Christians are not "stuffy" Christians are dynamic, fun loving. Just because we don't curse, sleep around, get drunk, doesn't mean we're stuffy, or not fun. Christianity doesn't restrict fun, and no where does it say that a Christian should not have fun.

Now, again, if you curse once more on this board, you will be banned. That is not a threat, but rather a just punishment for gross violations of our rules.
 
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Quote[/b] (Damar Stiehl @ Jan. 24 2003,3:41)]Sit and fight evil on personal level, if you need to that is - abstain from sex, computer games, porn, rock music, etc etc etc - because they have the APPEARANCE of evil, and therefore they ARE evil, and you should avoid it.
Was it evil to fight the Nazis in WW2? No. Why would it be evil to do the same thing in a simulation? If it was a game where you killed cops and robbed banks just for money (as in GTA3), then it would be wrong.
 
Killing. Is. Evil. Period. Eh?

You can't kill for pleasure. Or am I wrong here? Aren't you ONLY supposed to attack if God tells you, go and exterminate this or that brand of heretic... which Christians are real good at BTW, but that's beside the point...

You ain't fighting Nazies online now are you? You're getting that BFG and going after other people and for what? To preach love with high explosives? Or purify the unworthy with a flamethrower? Shiznit, run into me someday, I'll acquaint you with my Holy Homing Missile of Universal Absolvence and Unconditional Salvation... Bugaga...

Ah, and whilst we're at it, here's a very American, puritan and Christian point that someone made... Porn destroys my mind but simulated violence doesn't? Erm? Does looking at someone's naked breast damage my fragile psyche more then than cutting the aforementioned breast off and then shredding its former owner into tiny bits (albeit virtually)? Apparently so. Or maybe it's because God HAD said, go and kill. God hasn't ever said, go and strip or go and have sex. Ain't that a byotch, though?
 
Were did you get the misguided notion that killing is evil?

Killing is only evil when you kill for yourself. Killing in the name of your government is allowed. It is murder that is not.

Porn is an addiction that leads to temptation. It's demeaning to women, and leads to fornication or a form of onanism. AND NOTHING GOOD CAN COME FROM IT.
 
Dahmer as a fellow atheist I can sympathize with you. Thanks for that wonderful speech. I didn't think he was insulting anyone, merely stating facts.
 
Dionysus, thanks for the sentiment, you've got it all right 'xcept for my name ;) Interesting way to spell it though, nice alternative. Maybe that's my Dark Elven name or something, heeh.

Killing in the name of your government is OK, eh? Then how about "Thou shalt not kill"? Yes, there were times in the Bible where God supposedly instructed his "chosen ones" not to just make war, but commit straight-up genocide. Other than that, I don't think there's an amendment to "thou shalt not kill". By the way - if I kill under the orders of my government, and it happens to be the Reich, am I still a good doobie in the eyes of God?

Too many contradictions, too few answers.

Now, porn vs. violent games. Neither of these is potent enough to create an addiction if you have half a brain left in you. There's no chemical incursion, no physical dependence. Either can be given up without any risk of physical harm. I don't think I've seen a headline "Man kills two for a porn magazine and a copy of Unreal Tournament" yet.

But supposedly my psyche was as fragile as necessary to create the said addiction. What's the worst that can happen if I go the porn route and snap? Well, I'll fill up my HDD with jpegs and movs, overload my shelves with porno mags, rub myself sore whacking off, waste some money on strippers. A profoundly stupid thing to do, but aside from an empty wallet and a sore #####, there's very little harm incurred.

Now, let's suppose I'm an impressionable kid with a penchant for playing FPSs. I like seeing all those pixelated #######s bleed. Throw in some real-life stimuli, and someday I'll snap, but in a different way. I'll find a firearm and act out my favourite scene from Deus Ex in real life. Think that can't happen? Remember Columbine. I'm not saying that games were a deciding factor, but there may have been a contribution on that part. Outcome, a pile of dead bodies.

Now, tell me again, what should be considered more evil?

(Disclaimer: I DO NOT think that games are evil. I don't think that porn is evil either. The above is the continuation of my argument for incompatibility of the words "Christian" and "game clan").
 
Only, he isn't stating facts. Thank you Kidan for responding to Damar in a much better way than I did - O pray the Lord will forgive me for what my unnecessarily harsh words, but it just aggrivates me when non-Christians instruct Christians in how to behave. Not only that, but they do this from their own made-up absolutes in conduct and morals that are formed in their ignorance. Like I said, I'm sorry, but when come back when you want to truly fling facts at each other and not presuppositions.
 
Only, he isn't stating facts. Thank you Kidan for responding to Damar in a much better way than I did - O pray the Lord will forgive me for what my unnecessarily harsh words, but it just aggrivates me when non-Christians instruct Christians in how to behave. Not only that, but they do this from their own made-up absolutes in conduct and morals that are formed in their ignorance. Like I said, I'm sorry, but come back when you want to truly fling facts at each other and not presuppositions.
 
Itchy trigger finger eh Timor? Do I make you mad? Really mad? C'mon let me have it
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You ain't got it in you, prayboy.

I've not yet seen one convincing argument here. All you do is dodge. For the representatives of a religion that is responsible for the most deaths ever, you sure are timid...

(Heh-heh. Gunther Herman: "Yor brozer iz timid like a child.")
 
Are Christian's not to play Chess then? It is a game of war, and war is killing, and killing is prohibited in the bible, right? So some kid sees me playing chess, gets into war, gets into guns, and snaps and blows some kid away. And it's my fault because I encouraged him to do it.

Only it's not "Thou shalt not kill". It's "Thou shalt not murder". People were killed as punishment for crime all the time in Isreal. People were stoned!

But in games like these, you have to excersize disernment. Is playing GTA3 ok? No, it's pimps slapping #####s and buying drugs. Is Counterstrike ok? Yes. If you sit still I'll tell you why.

Like I said, it's an issue of discernment. Take away the guns and make it nerf, it doesn't make much difference. Make people sit down instead of "die" and it doesn't change gameplay a bit. We play these games because of the engaging gameplay - not because of the vicarious thrill of slapping #####s.
 
lol, "prayboy"? Well hey, I consider that a compliment. And naw, I'm not angry and naw, I don't have an itchy trigger finger...actually, before I was a Christian I did have shorter fuse, but I'm pretty slow to anger. It just aggrivates me when people come onto our boards and start trying to throw OUR book at us! Imagine!
 
Oh, and also, I am always willing and eager to talk about these things (and even give "convincing arguements"!) over AOL (im me at Gecko670 ) or mirc (you can usually find me in #sdu, #toj, #fls, and often #findscrim and #findpug..ToJ|TimorNoctis, ToJ|timor_noctis, or timor)
 
Careful how you fling around the term non-Christian and "made up" Timor - right now you don't need to open up a war on two fronts, especially with Russia, if you hear me.

Eon
 
ahem, damar said OT was off limits, but brought up "thou shall not kill/murder(whatever)" isnt that hypocitical?

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Quote[/b] ]People were stoned!
all i can say is heh, stoned....

and as for how this whole thing got started wouldnt it just be easier to say instead of christian clan to say: Christian CULT!!!!
 
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