Case for a Creator

Would you mind explaining why LoJ?

I think Rithkil may be more open to a Christian's criticism, although that shouldn't matter since facts are facts regardless of religion.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Then why flippantly disregard every article that speaks against Strobel's works?
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I didn't disregard anything.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Heck iam a Christian and am not a big fan of Strobel, just my two cents.
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I never sadi I was an avid reader of his. I haven't even read all of his books. I thought that you hadn't read any of his books, and I thought you might be interested.
 
I made a miscalculation on the number from the Creator and the Cosmos movie. It is actually 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power probability that it would happen by chance. Now, that DOES make it IMPOSSIBLE, not just IMPROBABLE.
 
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No sir, it does not.

It just makes it MORE IMPROPABLE. Impossible means there is no chance whatsoever. Improbable means, while unlikely, it is still possible, however small that possibility is.

Impossible does not equal improbable.
 
Okay. Think about it. You got some twisted logic. 0.01
That is NOT a whole number. Has anything happened 0.01 times? No! Never! That makes no sense. Nothing can happen like that. That means it is IMPOSSIBLE.
 
Your stubborn streak is showing through my friend.

.0000000000000000001 is mighty small isn't it? Yet it's still a number, no matter how small it is.

Do yourself a favor and look at the definitions.

IMPOSSIBLE: incapable of being or of occurring

IMPROBABLE: unlikely to be true or to occur

Don't make me list the definitions for incapable and unlikely, you're smarter than that.
 
An impossible chance would be 0/x number. In this case, there is still a chance. It is slim, but it is still 'possible.'

If you don't like the decimal, you can convert it to 1 / 10^217.
 
Nothing has ever happened .01 times. You guys are thinking mathematically. It is possible mathematically. Like, as a ratio. But nothing can happen .01 times. DO you understand?
 
Uh, yes I understand that Rithkil.  I'm afraid it is you who are the one that is not understanding..

Take this for example...the chance of tripping on a certain rock is, say, .01 out of 10.  This is the same as .1 out of 100, or 1 out of 1000.  Mathamatically equivilant.  Now, you say that nothing as ever happened that had that small of a probability...  Um, what exactly are you basing that on?
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Nothing has ever happened .01 times.
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.01 is 1%

While a small percentage, it is still a percentage of possibility.

You want a better example?

Look at the odds of winning the lottery. VERY long odds indeed, but people win, don't they?
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Uh, yes I understand that Rithkil. I'm afraid it is you who are the one that is not understanding..

Take this for example...the chance of tripping on a certain rock is, say, .01 out of 10. This is the same as .1 out of 100, or 1 out of 1000. Mathamatically equivilant. Now, you say that nothing as ever happened that had that small of a probability... Um, what exactly are you basing that on?
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I don't think you understand. 0.01 would be 0.01%, not 1%. It is 0.01 out of one hundred. You guys are still thinking mathematically. It is NOT a percent. It is the amount of times it happens. You guys are changing it's meaning. Nothing can happen 0.01 times. You can't say "I've jumped up in the air 0.01 times!" That's IMPOSSIBLE.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ].01 is 1%

While a small percentage, it is still a percentage of possibility.

You want a better example?

Look at the odds of winning the lottery. VERY long odds indeed, but people win, don't they?
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You guys don't understand what I'm saying. It would be 0.01% not 1%, as the 0.01 is out of 100 not 1. It is not just a SMALL percentage, it is not even a COMPLETE percentage.

Nobody's won the lottery 0.01 times out of 100 have they? That's a better example.
 
Rithkil, let's look at what you said, ok?

"It is actually 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power probability that it would happen by chance."

CHANCE and PROBABILITY

The author is saying that there's an incredibly small chance here, a probability of something happening. Just like there is a chance and a probablility of you winning the lottery. The probability is in WINNING the lottery. Not the amount of times you've WON the lottery.

I don't think you understand the math behind what you're talking about.

PLEASE post a direct link to this number you keep talking about so we can look at it in context, maybe you'll understand then.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Rithkil, let's look at what you said, ok?

"It is actually 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power probability that it would happen by chance."

CHANCE and PROBABILITY

The author is saying that there's an incredibly small chance here, a probability of something happening. Just like there is a chance and a probablility of you winning the lottery. The probability is in WINNING the lottery. Not the amount of times you've WON the lottery.

I don't think you understand the math behind what you're talking about.

PLEASE post a direct link to this number you keep talking about so we can look at it in context, maybe you'll understand then.
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I already gave you a link. It's in the movie. For the universe to be created by chance, it would be 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power chance. That is not a probability. I do understand the math I'm talking about. You don't understand what I mean.
 
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Quote[/b] (Rithkil @ Oct. 21 2004,5:45)]
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Uh, yes I understand that Rithkil.  I'm afraid it is you who are the one that is not understanding..

Take this for example...the chance of tripping on a certain rock is, say, .01 out of 10.  This is the same as .1 out of 100, or 1 out of 1000.  Mathamatically equivilant.  Now, you say that nothing as ever happened that had that small of a probability...  Um, what exactly are you basing that on?
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I don't think you understand. 0.01 would be 0.01%, not 1%. It is 0.01 out of one hundred. You guys are still thinking mathematically. It is NOT a percent. It is the amount of times it happens. You guys are changing it's meaning. Nothing can happen 0.01 times. You can't say "I've jumped up in the air 0.01 times!" That's IMPOSSIBLE.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ].01 is 1%

While a small percentage, it is still a percentage of possibility.

You want a better example?

Look at the odds of winning the lottery.  VERY long odds indeed, but people win, don't they?
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You guys don't understand what I'm saying. It would be 0.01% not 1%, as the 0.01 is out of 100 not 1. It is not just a SMALL percentage, it is not even a COMPLETE percentage.

Nobody's won the lottery 0.01 times out of 100 have they? That's a better example.
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Ugh this is pointless. This really doesn't matter, the point is of miniscule importance. But Rithkil, you really, really are wrong here. I don't understand why you aren't understanding...but whatever. Let's move on.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ] For the universe to be created by chance, it would be 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power chance. That is not a probability. I do understand the math I'm talking about. You don't understand what I mean.
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Sorry Rith, but you don't have a clue here.

A probability is the chance that a given event will occur. In your example, there is a 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power. THAT is a probability.

That means there's a CHANCE in it happening. Therefore, it is PROBABLE, not IMPOSSIBLE. If it were IMPOSSIBLE, there would be NO chance for it to happen.

What you are TRYING to say is that the chance is so minute, that it might as well be impossible. However nice that sounds, it's not CORRECT. Since there is a chance, however small, in this case 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power, there is still a PROBABILITY of it happening.

Don't make this harder than it needs to be!
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Ugh this is pointless. This really doesn't matter, the point is of miniscule importance. But Rithkil, you really, really are wrong here. I don't understand why you aren't understanding...but whatever. Let's move on.
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Let me EXPLAIN AGAIN. Think this time.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Sorry Rith, but you don't have a clue here.

A probability is the chance that a given event will occur. In your example, there is a 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power. THAT is a probability.

That means there's a CHANCE in it happening. Therefore, it is PROBABLE, not IMPOSSIBLE. If it were IMPOSSIBLE, there would be NO chance for it to happen.

What you are TRYING to say is that the chance is so minute, that it might as well be impossible. However nice that sounds, it's not CORRECT. Since there is a chance, however small, in this case 0.01 chance in 10 to the 215th power, there is still a PROBABILITY of it happening.

Don't make this harder than it needs to be!
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Nothing can happen 0.01 times. Correct? Than how can anything be created by chance 0.01 times out of 10 to the 215th power times? Improbable you say? The lottery is not a good analogy. As this is not a percentage. No, I'm not saying that it's so small that it might as well be impossible. The universe being created by chance doesn't even get a whole number! How can anything happen not even completely?!? That is nonsense. Just like you can't do the problem 9/0. It is nonsense. In this situation it is nonsense. In a fraction, it can happen such as 0.01/10. Understand what I mean?
 
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