Bush and Civil Liberties

chuckle, I think his policy that doesn't change from day to day is his policy of all his policies shall change from day to day. lol...couldn't resist.
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In response to Kidan's comment (page one of this thread), I don't agree with Kerry on partial birth abortion. I disagree with Bush far more. The budget defecit, war in Iraq etc. all outweigh Kerrys dissonance with my views.

What I don't understand is why so many of you fall so blindly and hard for the right. It's like you're rooting for a football team, not electing a president.
 
Theres a difference between steadfast and arrogant. If you realized some strong new evidence against your point of view on a certain issue, would you not be inclined to change your stance?
 
I know I would never support a party who's principles or positions on what I consider major issues were 180' from mine.

I know Canadian politics are different then the US, but all I have is the "Canadian Experience" But don't count it out.

I supported the Conservative party. Not just because they hold many Christian views. I am going to pick one specific issue: Gay marriange in Canada.

I am against gay marriages. But I didn't pick the Conservative party because they were against it, rather, they are neither against it or for it because it is not "gay marriage" that is the issue for me.

Huh? Let me explain further.

The other major national party in Canada is the Liberal party. They don't have any position either.

So why would I pick the Conservatives over the Libers? By how they approach the topic.

I believe that the best man made government system is the democracy. It is a government for the people by the people. We elect people to be our voice in government. On touchy and dissentive issues such as gay marriages, our members of government should not vote based on party lines or based on their personal beleives but based on what the people of their constituency wants. Basically, a free vote in the house.

Unlike the US, in Canada our court judges are appointed, from the city courts to the federal courts to the supreme court. They are appointed by the Premiers in the provinces or by the Prime Minister of Canada. Guess, what, if the Prime Minister of Canada is pro-Gay marriages, s/he will appoint like minded people into these positions. Oh please, don't go into, "well thats unethical and they wouldn't do that." The prime minister also appoints the ethics commissioniare. And all this wouldn't be so bad, except: The Liberal government of Canada has decided to let the supreme court make the decision and law regarding Gay marriages.

I wish, I had a voice, but in Canada's democracy, I don't. That is why I choose the right wing Conservatives. Because they promised to remove the issue from the Supreme court and hold a free vote in the house or have a nationwide referendum on it.

I agree with the US's invasion of Iraq. I just wish they would hurry up and free us Canadians as well.
 
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Quote[/b] (Que Pasa @ Oct. 20 2004,11:53)]In response to Kidan's comment (page one of this thread), I don't agree with Kerry on partial birth abortion. I disagree with Bush far more. The budget defecit, war in Iraq etc. all outweigh Kerrys dissonance with my views.

What I don't understand is why so many of you fall so blindly and hard for the right. It's like you're rooting for a football team, not electing a president.
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on the budget deficit.  Sure that's a bad thing.  Yet after Clinton's mishandling the economy, and the high-tech bubble bursting (and then to top off the hit our economy took during 9/11).  The government was going to run intoa deficit or it would have to lose a number of programs.  Is it worse because of some of the Bush policies?  oh sure.  The NCLB program that he let Sen. Kennedy (D) write, and he endorsed, added a huge bill to our budget (even though a federal Dept. of Education is un-Constitiutional).  Then there is that whole War on Terror thing which eats up money.  

Of course you could be complaining about lower taxes causing a deficit.   Which, if you want to give your money to the government, go for it.  I for one, want to keep as much of it as possible.  I work until June to pay my tax debt.  What is sad, is that does not include the hidden taxes such as taxes on business, the costs of stupid regulations on businesses (such as those enacted by the EPA without any scientific proof that the changes would be beneficial, or the current status quo even being harmful). Morality taxes (gov. surchages on things such as gas).  As well, since I am a general consumer, not dependent upon the government for my income, I am actually paying the taxes and salaries for everyone who works for the government and is on welfare.

And pray tell, exactly what was wrong about invading Iraq? The Dufler report describes how (while not having them currently) Iraq was poised to restart their WMD programs. It also describes how he was in full trade with Syria and bribing a bunch of other UN countries, including France and Germany.  Rape was a common thing in Iraq.  There are 40 sites in Iraq, filled with thousands of men, women and children who were killed by the regime.  They have a body of a little boy, my son's age, who was shot in the back of the head.  A top level member of Al Qeada, upon fleeing Afghanistan, went to Iraq, and started helping train Sadam's terrorists.  Sadam, encouraged and paid money to the families of suicide bombers.

Pray tell, why exactly this is a bad thing?  

Kerry is a socialist through and through.  He truly believes that the government grants us the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (he said this during the third debate).  His proposed programs such as federal healthcare, will cost us billions upon billions of dollars.   And ask GP how well a nationalized healthcare system actually cares for you.

Kerry wants to raise the minimum wage.  Which is effectively going to raise the price of every item on the market.  And lower the value of things such as high-school and college educations.

Kerry wants to raise taxes (of course he calls it, rolling back the tax cuts), that alone makes me cringe.


Now on your other point, I am not blindly falling for the right.  I would much rather prefer the Constitutionalist candidate.  Of course I am logical enough to realize that he has that proverbial snowball's chance.  So the next logical solution is Bush.  I have seen Kerry's stance on everything from taxes to national security.  It is a liberal, socialist, communist stance through and through.

Regardless of Bush's deficit, or lite domestic policies, he is infinitely better than Kerry's liberal domestic, and appeasment foreign policies.
 
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Seems that family may play a role in politics as well?  Coincidence or conspiracy?  
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As for keeping more on topic, I am in agreement with Kidan and HCS. I don't pick Bush because he is my favorite canidate, I pick him because of the two that have a shot of winning, he is the better of the two canidates.

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Quote[/b] ] Bush at least stuck to his guns..but i do not like either of them..
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Im all for guns because i was born and raised in the west and if someone took my dads guns and partialy my guns i would be very very mad
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I guess I just see Kerry differently than most of you. Curious though, do any of you that posted in here consider yourself republican? I consider myself independent.

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Quote[/b] ]Kerry wants to raise taxes (of course he calls it, rolling back the tax cuts), that alone makes me cringe.
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Oh no! Maybe we'll have to pay around half as much as Belgium pays in taxes. Serious though, our tax rates are about 1/2 the world average if I recall.
 
Whats this about the "No Child Left Behind" act anyway. I hear it involves cutting funding to schools in poor neighborhoods.
 
that's just what the Dem's are constantly saying. Forgetting the fact that Mr. Bush let a Democrat (the Senator from Florida) write the silly law.

what it actually does is expands the federal government's role in education (Fed. Dept. of Ed, is still a violation of 10th Amendment)

There are a whole host of odds and ends affected by the law, and here's a link so that you can study up on it if you so desire
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/reports/no-child-left-behind.html
 
Another interesting statistic is what the election outcome would be like if the whole world could vote. Granted they may not be as informed as the United States.

http://worldpeace.org.au/virtualelection.asp

What is really interesting, is that Nader actually gets more votes than Bush in this particular instance. Kerry wins by 15% of the vote or so.
 
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