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DV, you told me to find that "bible" topic on contradictions. can't find it. looked on pgs. 123. anyway, here bring out your bible contradictions (anyone) . anyway, i assume it'll be ME, marcylene, and gennesis, and dv, and mr. bill posting...
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[b said:
Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Nov. 07 2004,2:54)]Compare Jeremiah 19:4-5 with the crucifixion.  
Also look at....
Psalm 106:38
Deuteronomy 12:31
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I am assuming that you are comparing this to Jesus' Crucifixion?
*sigh* here goes nuttin'! The one glance at the sites D. V. has mentioned sound like a broken record! These questions and issues have been addressed and sufficiently answered millions of times by great men and women of God! Men who refuse to believe, also refuse to listen!
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The enemy has tried to destroy the Word of God since the Garden of Eden and will probably continue in the same manner while in the lake of fire! He had God's very best as Lucifer, and he continues to try to destroy His best in the children that God loves. Why anyone would want to ban together and assist him is beyond me.
You cannot compare, or rather, should not compare God's instruction for sons and daughter's being offered to gods/idols, with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, 1/3 of the Trinity, the Holy One of God who shed His blood while paying for my sins on the Cross with Him.

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 1:29

There are no Bible contradictions! I think the enemy rubs his paws and is thrilled when he can convince Christians that God is not Magnificent enough to send us the Word in it's entirety!

I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. John 17:14

Oh, the beauty of the Word that He gave us! Psalm 119 declares a heart that loves it! May it be so with each of us!

Quick!
Powerful!
Sharper than any twoedged sword!
In one fell swoop...
able to pierce soul!
able to pierce spirit!
able to pierce joints!
able to pierce marrow!
With one single lunge...
It will discern the thoughts of the heart!
It will discern the intents of the heart!
Stand proudly fellow soldiers with the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God, as your weapon of warfare! Unbeatable!
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]You cannot compare, or rather, should not compare God's instruction for sons and daughter's being offered to gods/idols, with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, 1/3 of the Trinity, the Holy One of God who shed His blood while paying for my sins on the Cross with Him.
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Why?
 
Without the Shedding of Blood their is no remission of sin.

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Let's Talk About Blood.
Soul-Saving Blood.

Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing power?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

In order to become a child of God, you must:

repent of your sins [1]
believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins and that He rose the third day
confess the Lord Jesus
What exactly happened on that cross almost 2,000 years ago? Jesus shed His blood and that blood paid for the sins of all mankind [2]. Let's talk about blood. The Blood of Jesus.

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When we turn back to the Old Testament of the Bible, we see that after sin entered into the world, God required the blood sacrifice of animals for the atonement of sins.

Leviticus 17:11, For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Leviticus 4:3-5 If the priest that is anointed do sin...then let him bring for his sin, which he hath sinned, a young bullock without blemish unto the LORD for a sin offering....he shall... lay his hand upon the bullock's head, and kill the bullock before the LORD. And the priest that is anointed shall take of the bullock's blood, and bring it to the tabernacle of the congregation...

But the blood of the animals still couldn't do the trick. The Israelites were still unfaithful to their God as evidenced by their awhoring after other gods. A better sacrifice was needed.

Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
God promised His people, the Jewish people, a new covenant about 600 years before the coming of Christ. We will see that this covenant would also require blood.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
In the Bible, we have the Old Testament (or Hebrew Scriptures) and the New Testament. Both were ushered in by blood. The Old Testament came by the blood of animals. The New Testament by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Old Testament
Exodus 24:8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Hebrews 9:18-20 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

New Testament

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

--Jesus Christ
The animal sacrifices of the Old Testament were only a picture of the ultimate sacrifice. When Jesus Christ went to the cross almost 2,000 years ago, He was the ULTIMATE sacrifice. A bloody sacrifice indeed.

His skin was whipped off,
His beard was torn out of his cheeks,
His head pierced with thorns,
His face beaten to a pulp. He was unrecognizable. The Bible says He was more marred than ANY man.
His hands and feet were nailed through with thick spikes,
His side pierced with a spear after He died.
The sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, completely abolished the system of animal sacrifice forever. The animal sacrifices of the Old Testament were only a picture, a figure, of the true sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Their blood was only a figure of the true blood that would be shed thousands of years later on a cross outside the city of Jeruselem. The animal sacrifices were...

Hebrews 9:9 ...a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience...
9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

The blood of animals had to be shed over and over but the blood of Jesus was shed only one time. The Catholic religion does not understand this and contends that the blood is shed over and over again in the mass, but the Bible says something different:

Hebrews 10:12, ...after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.
Hebrews 7:27 ...this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Hebrews 9:28 ...Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many...

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The blood of Jesus is powerful. It is a saving, healing blood. Look at what the blood has done:


What the blood
of Jesus does Bible Reference
The blood pays for our sins so we don't go to hell. Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
The blood bought us. [3] Acts 20:28 ...feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
1 Corinthians 6:20, 7:23 ...ye are bought with a price...

The blood justifies us before a holy God. 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him..
The blood redeems us. Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.
Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The blood brought us Gentiles into a relationship with God that we didn't have before. Ephesians 2:11-16 ... ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh ...without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus...are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby.

The blood brought Jew and Gentile (regardless of race or nationality) into a right relationship with God. Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.

The blood brought peace. 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The blood purges our consciences from dead works. Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
The blood lets us enter
into the holiest place
before the throne of God. 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus.
The blood forges an everlasting covenant between the believer and God. Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
The blood sanctifies us. Hebrews 10:29...the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified...
The blood cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
The blood washes away our sins. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
The blood causes us to overcome this old wicked world. Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.


Be washed in that cleansing, crimson tide. The blood of Jesus.




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[1] I'm not talking a mental assent to the things of Christ. I'm talking about real conviction and repentance of your sins and a commitment to Jesus Christ. Matthew 7:21

[2] The blood paid for the sins of all but not all will be saved because many will reject the free gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 John 2:2, John 8:24

[3] We were bought from the grip of Satan to the power of God who is the Father of all believers. Acts 26:18
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Throwing their children in the fire..akin to after birth abortion, years after birth! They were apeasing gods with their children!!!!!!
 
Post back at us! we will be happy to answer your questions. i do hope marcylene answered your questions about those "broken records" links.
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Marcy wasn't the one that asked for the link, YOU did.

Why don't YOU try and figure some out.

Out of those links, how many different contradictions were there? Hundreds? Marcy answered ONE. How does that make the rest suddenly disappear?

SA, I wish you wouldn't keep saying you are "winning" arguments, because you're not. At best, you are starting topics, letting other people do the hard work, then you take credit for the "win".

Ok SA, it's time to step up to the plate. I PERSONALLY CHALLENGE YOU AND ONLY YOU to investigate the following inconsistency:

1 Kings 4
26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2 Chronicles 9
25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

Don't worry, it's an easy one
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The purpose of these discussions is just that: to have discussions. There are no winners. It is not us against them or me against you or anything like that. Let's work through the topics.
 
yea... when i read it later, it sounds different. i mean that i look at it from someone else's pov. ah well. i edited that. and i'll takeelook at that tonight.
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hey DV, to answer ur challenge. i do'nt have my paper (i'm too lazy to go up and get it) i remember it says STALLS AND HORSES. they are different. i think you typed it in wrong...
 
okee....

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my bible says foot note:
4:26 a follwoing masoretic text and most other authorities; some manuscripts of the Septuagint read four (compare 2 Chronicles 9:25) - i still needa look up those weird names.


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edit somore: (get it s'mores!): anyway, i looked those weird names up on Google.
http://www.campusprogram.com/referen....nt.html
basically translation Greek, Latin and all that other stuff. i didn't read in that much detail in that site. but i did lookee @ it. need more? just ask. if not, then i hope that answeres ur question.

btw, my bible is the NEW king james version with modern text! is, i,they, their
 
That was a lot of talking about nothing...you'd make a good politician
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Why don't you post what the KJV says?

If the KJV and the NKJV aren't the same...that means there's a discrepancy somewhere.

So what is the discrepency?

Does that mean the KJV of God's Word is INCORRECT?
 
oh. they are different? i thought the only difference was the words that i used
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there are probably some errors in most of the bibles, because you can't really translate things PERFECTLY. however, that does NOT mean that you can punch holes in everything the bible says.
 
At what point did I ever say that I was trying to punch holes in everything the Bible says?

That is an incorrect assumption on your part.

You still haven't addressed the challenge I posed to you either.

My point, SA, is that there shouldn't, COULDN'T be ANY errors whatsoever in the Word of God. That's where the word INERRANT comes into play.

If the bible contains just ONE error, that it is NOT inerrant.
 
didn't that link banish that topic? ugggg... read it!





[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Nevertheless, over time, the text is speculated to have been subject to numerous changes, which can be attributed to several causes, including scribal errors, efforts at exegesis, and attempts to support theological positions. Accordingly, the Septuagint went through a number of different revisions and recensions, the most famous of which include those by Aquila (128 CE), a student of Rabbi Akiva; and Origen (235), a Christian theologian in Alexandria.

These issues notwithstanding, the text of the LXX is usually very close to that of the Masoretic, differing in one verse or another. For example, Genesis 4:1-6 is identical in both LXX and Masoretic texts. Likewise, Genesis 4:8 to the end of the chapter is the same. There is only one substantial difference, at 4:7, to wit:

Genesis 4:7, LXX (Brenton) Genesis 4:7, Masoretic (KJV)
Hast thou not sinned if thou hast brought it rightly, but not rightly divided it? Be still, to thee shall be his submission, and thou shalt rule over him. If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
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that lsat part of the quote didn't work that well... (columns)
 
I was trying to get you to use your own brain.

Why don't you tell us, in your own words, what that quote says?

Then, you can tell us what the ramifications are.
 
oooooooo... so i already answered it.
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 you just want to make sure i understand... btw, ur new avatar freaked me out the first time i saw it! me =
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anyway, bak 2 the question.
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]My point, SA, is that there shouldn't, COULDN'T be ANY errors whatsoever in the Word of God.  That's where the word INERRANT comes into play.
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apprantly there ARE errors in certain versions in the bibles around the world. however, this does not change the meaning really... just technical details such as that. another random question, did you read the whole bible yet? seems like you have.
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-edited: i am not sure which version is "correctly" interpreted, as i am not a bible expert. however, i do read it. but that does NOT mean that i know everything.
 
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