Believing in God/Jesus
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Genesis1315
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Thank you for covering it again for me. You are so nice to me
Talking about a belief in God though... Since I disagree with your analysis of Argument to Design, it (Argument to Design) makes sense to me.
Talking about a belief in God though... Since I disagree with your analysis of Argument to Design, it (Argument to Design) makes sense to me.
shadetaker
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wow i hope not! still its a legitimate argument
Dark Virtue
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I understand that God is eternal and all that. However, for the purpose of the watchmaker analogy, it doesn't work for the reasons described.
As far as Pascal's Wager is concerned, it has its basis in an insincere approach to belief. You ask me to believe in your God, not because I want to, or I truly have any feelings for Him, but out of fear of missing out on eternal bliss. Do you really think God wants a convert whose only reason for following Him is by taking a safe bet?
If I'm going to put my eternal life in the hands of a god, I will do so because I truly belive in that god, not because I'm hedging a bet.
As far as Pascal's Wager is concerned, it has its basis in an insincere approach to belief. You ask me to believe in your God, not because I want to, or I truly have any feelings for Him, but out of fear of missing out on eternal bliss. Do you really think God wants a convert whose only reason for following Him is by taking a safe bet?
If I'm going to put my eternal life in the hands of a god, I will do so because I truly belive in that god, not because I'm hedging a bet.
Dark Virtue
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What specifically did you disagree with?[b said:Quote[/b] (Genesis1315 @ Oct. 17 2004,7:17)]Thank you for covering it again for me. You are so nice to me
Talking about a belief in God though... Since I disagree with your analysis of Argument to Design, it (Argument to Design) makes sense to me.
shadetaker
Tribe of Judah Lead Recruiter
fear is a legitimate reason for belief. and once you had believed you would come to know god personally and that would be sincere. and is there anything wrong with our god? he is the giver af all good gifts and his salvation is good enough to put your trust in. if half of what we say about him is true than living for him is easily better than living for yourself. he will give your life true meaning.
Dark Virtue
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Why is fear a legitimate reason for belief?
And yes, I do find faults with the character of God as He is portrayed in the OT. A cursory glance at the topics I've posted should show you what I mean.
And yes, I do find faults with the character of God as He is portrayed in the OT. A cursory glance at the topics I've posted should show you what I mean.
Rithkil
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If that's your motivation, you're going nowhere.
Dark Virtue
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I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you said.[b said:
Are you saying that I should NOT believe in God because I love Him and truly believe in Him. But rather because I'm simply afraid of going to Hell?
At this point in time, DV, we will be more than happy to take it any way you give it
Kidan
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Actually that may not be an accurate statement.[b said:
God never gives a qualifier for WHY you believe, He just requires your belief and acceptance of Him as Lord.
Rithkil
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[b said:
That's the problem in the first place. He has no motivvaion to believe. That's what I'm saying. If you have no motivation to believe, you're not gonna suddenly, miraculously believe. That's what I meant.
Dark Virtue
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But you want my motivation to be FEAR.[b said:
Fear of some eternal torment inflicted by an ever loving God.
You're telling me that God doesn't want me to come to Him out of love or loyalty, out of genuine belief, but because He wants me to be afraid of His punishment.
Isn't that what you're saying?
We know that So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17 Let us say that I want to believe in God and I do not. I am searching, and I want to come to a logical conclusion, that my belief, or lack thereof, is founded.
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13 (not to point to any single person, I will just look at you and
) lol Why not go to sources that believe in God? I can do Google searches all day long on the things of God. The results are pro and con. I think the bottom line is, well, I think Joshua, the commander, warrior, mighty battle strategist says it best:
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:15
Believing in God, for multitudes of reasons, is logical. As we search the Word daily, it becomes crystal clear.
Romans 10:17 Let us say that I want to believe in God and I do not. I am searching, and I want to come to a logical conclusion, that my belief, or lack thereof, is founded.
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13 (not to point to any single person, I will just look at you and
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:15
Believing in God, for multitudes of reasons, is logical. As we search the Word daily, it becomes crystal clear.
Rithkil
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No. It isn't FEAR. It is LOVE. God loves you, and he wants you to be with him in Eternity. The only thing you should fear is God. Not a horrible fate, but God's awesome power. And not an AFRAID fear, but a RESPECTING fear. That is what I am saying. He created you and he loves everybody, but everybody sinned and God can't look at sin. and you know the whole Jesus died for us story. Now that he has defeated sin and death, you can be with God. And that's why Jesus should be recognized as your Lord and Savior.
Dark Virtue
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Guess what?
I'm right here waiting for God to show himself to me. God knows I can't believe in things that I don't have evidence for.
Were God to show me evidence of himself, I would be a fervent believer. So would most atheists.
Until that time, I can not, will not, believe.
I'm right here waiting for God to show himself to me. God knows I can't believe in things that I don't have evidence for.
Were God to show me evidence of himself, I would be a fervent believer. So would most atheists.
Until that time, I can not, will not, believe.
Seek and ye shall find!
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20
I know you have told us that you have sought him. I honor and respect that. However, you are a determined man that does not give up, or in easily...just let it be so with the LORD.
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20
I know you have told us that you have sought him. I honor and respect that. However, you are a determined man that does not give up, or in easily...just let it be so with the LORD.
Dark Virtue
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Take a closer look at the verse Marcy.
Who is doing the knocking? Whose voice is being heard?
Do you answer your front door if no one knocks? Do you answer your phone if no one calls?
I await the knocking and the calling.
But I'm not going to put my life on hold to wait for it. The evidence that stands before me does NOT point to a creator God. Until I see different, I will live my life as I am now. Notice, there is no enmity here, no stubborness, contrary to what some may think.
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Who is doing the knocking? Whose voice is being heard?
Do you answer your front door if no one knocks? Do you answer your phone if no one calls?
I await the knocking and the calling.
But I'm not going to put my life on hold to wait for it. The evidence that stands before me does NOT point to a creator God. Until I see different, I will live my life as I am now. Notice, there is no enmity here, no stubborness, contrary to what some may think.
If the phone does not ring for an extended period of time, I do pick it up to be certain that it is working!!!!!!!!! Does that count?
Are there not any Christian sources that you respect and find commendable and trustworthy? And while I am being inquisitive...you once believed, why did you stop? You had said you were a good Christian, were you a Zealot then, too? I would have loved to be able to read those posts
How did you lose faith? There but by the grace of God go I. I would like to learn from you there, too.
No enmity here, either. Stubbborness
...umm, well...I have been accused of that a time or two!
Know I love ya' DV, and simply care about you and your soul.
Are there not any Christian sources that you respect and find commendable and trustworthy? And while I am being inquisitive...you once believed, why did you stop? You had said you were a good Christian, were you a Zealot then, too? I would have loved to be able to read those posts
How did you lose faith? There but by the grace of God go I. I would like to learn from you there, too.No enmity here, either. Stubbborness
...umm, well...I have been accused of that a time or two!
Know I love ya' DV, and simply care about you and your soul.
Dark Virtue
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I don't know if I would have considered myself a zealot.
Hmmm, Christian sources, that's a tough one. I CAN say that I respect many Christians and Christian authors.
I don't have a problem with Christian authors for the most part. Once you start getting into hypocrites like Benny Hinn and Jimmy Swaggart, that's different.
Hmmm, Christian sources, that's a tough one. I CAN say that I respect many Christians and Christian authors.
I don't have a problem with Christian authors for the most part. Once you start getting into hypocrites like Benny Hinn and Jimmy Swaggart, that's different.