Ron Paul is out!

[Kidan]

Guys, guys. Think of it this way:

Who do you want more, McCain or Obama? I personally would want McCain over Obama, for my own reasons. I would've loved Ron Paul.

Let's look at it this way:

Which do you want to ingest more, strychnine or cyanide?

I personally would choose good old fashioned water--but hey, someone arbitrarily decided we couldn't have it.

I mean, no one is going to care if you "make a statement" by voting for someone who dropped out but represented what you stand for.

At this point, I've got to reiterate HCS's exhortation to you to read the Constitution. There's no one that cares if you vote to make a statement or vote a party line.

The people do not directly vote for the President.

The President is elected via the Electoral College--a group of individuals who are selected by your State Legislatures under the hope that they would vote according to the will of the State Legislatures. In a good portion of the states--this takes the some type of relationship with the popular vote, but at any time if the State Legislatures wishes to change that they can. Additionally, just because the Electoral College is "told" to vote in certain ways, they can vote however they wish when it comes time for their votes to be counted.

What does this mean to you? It means that you should vote your conscience. Because if enough of us do so--then those in power will notice.

 

[Odale]

Let's look at it this way:

Which do you want to ingest more, strychnine or cyanide?

I personally would choose good old fashioned water--but hey, someone arbitrarily decided we couldn't have it.

I am speechless.

That is really uncalled for.

 

[ppar3566]

I find it somewhat strange how you guys are talking about this. Surely it is the policies that matter regardless of the background of the candidates. I never vote for someone because they are a Christian. I vote solely on whether I think they have 1. A realistic chance of making a difference (I try never through my vote away by voting for a party or person that has no chance of making it into government). 2. There stated policies represent the best way forward for the country at the time.

I always get so frustrated when people vote for Christians only because they are Christians and don't know what they stand for. For instance our church encouraged us to vote for a Christian Party called the Christian Democrats. Almost everyone in our church did despite the fact that their only real policy was to ensure that politicians prayed before each sitting.

 

[Kidan]

I am speechless.

That is really uncalled for.

Why exactly was that uncalled for? It's a similar choice to the one being presented--merely taken to its logical extreme.

It's exactly what was being advocated in these exhortations to choose one of "lesser evils" rather than making a choice that is good.

Consider, that fundamentally boils down to this statement:

If told to not choose good, then choose evil.
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Me personally, I'd rather make a stand, and deny all the evil choices regardless of the outcome. At least then I can say I choose what I saw as good.

 

[Atown]

the truth hurts. look at his associations past and present.

i lol'ed

and then i told all my friends, and they lol'ed too

i want to do a write in.... but i want the republicans to have the white house.

 

[ppar3566]

I want a strict constitutionalist..and jihadobama, mcinsane, and commuclinton aren't it.

I definitely did not LOL. You would never make such derogatory remarks about anybody on the forum or else you would get a warning. I don't see how saying it about someone else is any better.

I honestly can't believe you what you mean what you are saying. By calling someone a jihadist you are claiming they, at least implicitly, support the murder of hundreds of innocent people. I am not from the US but I am part of the CG alliance and I am not happy that anybody could google this and see such unloving and unjustifiable slander. Note that their were guests on this forum when I wrote this reply. Who knows who they are and what background they come from.

Please tone such comments down in the future.

As a side not Muslim does not equal jihad anymore than Christian equals KKK or Crusaders. I am upset because I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim that do not deserve such associations.

 

[Hescominsoon]

Obama is NOT a muslim, nor was he ever.

Snopes.

It is slanderous and wrong to label someone something they don't claim to be nor have any part of. As the snopes article says, his father was a muslim at one time, but then he became an atheist or agnostic. Obama never was. He went to a muslim school when he lived over in Africa because it was the only one there. He's claimed to be a Christian most of his life.

I do not support Obama nor his ideals, but I do not believe that spreading lies about a candidate is moral, and HCS, I doubt you do either.

I did not say he was a muslim. I said he is a closet jihadist. All you have to do is look at his current and past associations and the "label" is appropriate. IF he gets into office he will do more to allow the takeover of this country by jihadists than anyone else in history.

 

[Hescominsoon]

I am speechless.

That is really uncalled for.

What's uncalled for is folks like you odale whom i am assuming are better informed are shocked when presented with the truth. The current slate of candidates are poison..both would kill you if given the chance. I agree with kidan..i don't want the poison..i'll take the water.

 

[Hescominsoon]

I definitely did not LOL. You would never make such derogatory remarks about anybody on the forum or else you would get a warning. I don't see how saying it about someone else is any better.

I honestly can't believe you what you mean what you are saying. By calling someone a jihadist you are claiming they, at least implicitly, support the murder of hundreds of innocent people. I am not from the US but I am part of the CG alliance and I am not happy that anybody could google this and see such unloving and unjustifiable slander. Note that their were guests on this forum when I wrote this reply. Who knows who they are and what background they come from.

Please tone such comments down in the future.

As a side not Muslim does not equal jihad anymore than Christian equals KKK or Crusaders. I am upset because I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim that do not deserve such associations.

First point: If i go over the line i'll get warned just like everyone else. If you don't believe that ask tek..i've been disciplined more than once. There's no favoritism here.

Second: point: I never said obama is a muslim..i said he is a closet jihadist. Read my response above for the difference.

Third point: If you think something is above the rules then hit the triangle icon with exclamation point at the upper right of my post. It will report it to the moderators and to tek and if it's truly above the limit then i will get the appropriate warnings.

Fourth point: You don't know me very well do you? If felt you were acting like a communist i would say so in public. i don't feel the need to hide the truth from anybody unlike most of society. I have called folks onto the carpet many times on these forums.

Fifth point: i don't have to "hide" behind my administrator's position as you imply. I have been taking a stand in this fashion long before i gained my position. I don't hide behind my position nor do i flaunt it. My job on these forums is the technical maintenance of the forums and the server that powers it..i am not a moderator or have any hand in the exaction or non-exaction of discipline on these forums.

 

[Hescominsoon]

i lol'ed

and then i told all my friends, and they lol'ed too

i want to do a write in.... but i want the republicans to have the white house.

even though the repubs are no different than the dems? As kidan said both are poison..who cares about parties..vote your conscience and write in. If that's what you want to do then do it and take a stand.

 

[Hescominsoon]

It's clear that people of truly exceptional character aren't interested in the position.

Ron's interested he just got steamrolled by the globalists who don't want a strict constitutionalist. That's ok..he's still getting my vote. I can think of no better way for him to continue the fight he started than for the American people to stand up and put him into the white house.

 

[Hescominsoon]

you really don't have a clue do you bonk? I don't want either because they are both either a closet jihadist or a warmongering globalist.(i'll let the boards figure out which is which..it's easy..<g>)read the constitution first of all. Next realize that choosing the lesser of two evils is serving evil. It's not about if ron paul wins..it's making a statement that says i reject this slate of unconstitutional candidates and as a voter i vote for one who carries my values. this is not a waste of my vote..it is the excersie of my American civic rights and my duty as a citizen. These "throwaway" votes are noticed and will either affect the current one party system's candidates or will encourage other, more constitutional candidates to run. The fact that you are willing to serve evil by buying into the lie of wasted votes by not voting the "nominees" shows you are already becoming ensared. The names i made up aren't to make myself feel witty or smart..i don't need to do that. If you think so bonk you don't know a thing about me. The next time you want to take a shot at me..take some time to figure out who and what you are talking about instead of talking out of your ears. The names i put onto them are a direct reflections of their personalities, known affiliations, and overall politics. Instead of attacking me and following the two party lemming herd over the cliff..take some time to do some REAL research and don't take the world's spoon feeding that so many people including Christians are taking.

Let me further reiterate that folks like chuck colson and the other "religious" right talking heads are no better at informing you about political candidates than the ny times.

 

[ppar3566]

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I never said you were hiding behind your position simply that the same courtesy you extend to us here should be extended to everyone else.

Further, surely jihadist is a worse term by far than a Muslim. In any case the distinction is irrelevant as the word is only every associated with Muslims and is inappropriate to be used on anyone who does not deserve it. The term inflames hate, something that we don't need any more of. As a Christian Guild I don't think this is a image we want to present. That if someone does not agree with us and the exact way we see the world then we will refer to them as something unspeakable. I don't care about the politics but I do think we need to present a loving image to the world and show that we can handle challenges to our way of life in an appropriate way that focuses on the problems we have with the policies rather than attacking the person themselves.

 

[Elihu]

First off I would have to say that I agree with ppar3566 (weird name, how'd that come about? ahh another time perhaps....) in that we need to be careful with our words and what we call people. I am just as guilty at this as the next person, but ppar has a valid point about guests visiting the site to check us out and seeing how we talk about others. We're expected\supposed to be beacons of light, and some of the comments that have been made are not things I would want an outsider to read in regards to researching us as a community, especially regarding individuals who may be our future president who deserves respect for the position they will be serving in. To continue the path we are, we are no better than the lemmings of the world, calling others names and defacing them with our words.

That being said, I am not a fan of either nominee that has been put up for the reason that some of the things they both stand for I do not agree with. It is my right\duty as an american citizen to vote however, and I will do so when the time comes. I am not saying that you should vote for one nominee over another, or write a name into the ballot. I am saying that you need to keep a few things in mind when doing this though.

1. Your decision today will affect our country's future.
2. Your decision today will affect other countries influenced by our nation.
3. Your decision today will affect our children's future.
4. Your decision today will affect your future.
5. Your decision today will affect you.

That being said...you must take these things into effect when voting, not thinking of only the present, but also of the future. Basically, vote for what you believe to be right. Convincing others to vote the same as you is not what its all about, as each person may feel inclined to vote for someone different according to their own heart. In the end remember one thing, our God will prevail no matter what happens. (Revelation 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.")

Romans 14:19
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.

Definition of edification: to build up, establish, or strengthen a person, institution, etc.; to uplift

 

[Genesis1315]

Romans 14:19
Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.

Definition of edification: to build up, establish, or strengthen a person, institution, etc.; to uplift

So, apply this to the thread at hand.... How can we go towards peace and mutual edification when the candidates at hand are so varied in their own right and also non-supportive of the governing documents of the US

I don't care about the politics but I do think we need to present a loving image to the world and show that we can handle challenges to our way of life in an appropriate way that focuses on the problems we have with the policies rather than attacking the person themselves.

Being loving to the world is also not always called for. Bottom line, fire burns whether or not you want to accept it as truth and as those have previously mentioned in this thread, accepting the lesser of two evils is still accepting evil. I believe that we are called to be the Light and Salt. Ever put salt in a wound... ouch! (Nothing personal, just representing the whole picture of what we are called to be)

It's clear that people of truly exceptional character aren't interested in the position.

Ever wonder why that is the case?

Gen

 

[Tek7]

Third point: If you think something is above the rules then hit the triangle icon with exclamation point at the upper right of my post. It will report it to the moderators and to tek and if it's truly above the limit then i will get the appropriate warnings.

As it turns out, vBulletin, using default settings, does not allow Administrators to issue infractions to other Administrators. I'll be addressing the issue privately.

After reading all posts, I agree that some were inflammatory. As a writer and an aspiring journalist, I appreciate the importance of "telling it like it is"--while following the Biblical guidelines set forth in Matthew 18:15-20. As a Christian, I'm reminded that...

If I speak the languages of men and of angels, but do not have love, I am a sounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so that I can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

Source: 1 Corinthians 13 (HCSB)

I think we all agree that people should conduct their own research and reach their own conclusions, based on Biblical principles, before voting.

I think most of us agree that both the Republican and Democratic candidates set before the American public are poor choices for President of the United States.

I think most of us would like to see a viable third party emerge as an alternative to the Republican and Democratic parties.

I think we all agree that the Scriptures are the ultimate truth and that Paul is right when he said that our efforts are all in vain if not put forth in love.

I think many Christians will complain that McCain received the nomination for Republican presidential candidate, but where were these Christians during the primaries? Where were they during the state elections that put Senators (and future presidential candidates) in office? Where were they during the local elections that often have a greater impact on their everyday lives than national elections?

We can complain all we want, but what are we doing about it? Voting for a President is only the last in a long line of responsibilities we have as American citizens.

In Brave New World, Aldous Huxley envisions a government that maintains control over its citizens by keeping them comfortable and distracted. The technology Huxley envisions is still out of our grasp, but the essential philosophy of maintaining control is strikingly similar.

If one is not satisfied with the government as it is, then one needs to get involved.

 

[vibrokatana]

As it turns out, vBulletin, using default settings, does not allow Administrators to issue infractions to other Administrators. I'll be addressing the issue privately.

This is a good thing. It prevents an administrator from locking out the other admins. Say admin x gets angry and bans admin y, z and w. Then you have admin x in sole control and then you literally have an administrative level war until someone deletes or denies them access to their account. Never a pretty thing.

 

[Elihu]

Being loving to the world is also not always called for. Bottom line, fire burns whether or not you want to accept it as truth and as those have previously mentioned in this thread, accepting the lesser of two evils is still accepting evil. I believe that we are called to be the Light and Salt. Ever put salt in a wound... ouch! (Nothing personal, just representing the whole picture of what we are called to be)[\QUOTE]


1 Peter 2:17
Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

To be honest I think these scriptures sum up this issue. We are to be loving to the world. We are to be in the world but not of it. Meaning that we are to take the higher road, loving in all times, in all we do. Does that mean we will disagree on subjects\policies, yes....but we can discuss them in a loving manner without bringing the "fire" to the table. We need to guard what comes out of our mouths, and the tone in which we use it. Are there times to be a bit more harsh? Yes...righteous anger is evident even in the Bible from Jesus himself (driving out the profiteers in the church by tossing tables, yelling and driving a whip) and can be used at times, but in love.

The point is this...if a brother does not agree with your approach to the post on the forums that is shared as a community, I'd be reluctant to post it or argue my point in honor of unification. Let's avoid strife\arguing\etc. for the purpose of edification of one another.

 

[Hescominsoon]

Ok i have had three of my posts tagged for the "labels" i put on the candidates. I feel the labels are appropriate but I will not use those labels on these forums again. i apologize to those who felt offended by those remarks.

 

[vibrokatana]

Ok i have had three of my posts tagged for the "labels" i put on the candidates. I feel the labels are appropriate but I will not use those labels on these forums again. i apologize to those who felt offended by those remarks.

Professionalism: Knowing what not to say and where not to say it.

I don't take offence at it, but obviously some do. Generally you have to go with what most people wont find offensive.