Azzie
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"If I, as a being of limited intellect, can imagine a world of perfection, with free will and all that good stuff, shouldn't it stand to reason that an omnimax being could also imagine it?"
Point is, the omnimax being's imagination is infinitely beyond the imagination of a being of limited intellect. Infinitely; INFINITELY! We can't imagine what being infinite IS LIKE, let alone imagine what a being of infinite intellect is thinking!
Finite knowledge cannot imagine (or even extrapolate) what infinite knowledge is.
You can't draw a perfect circle with straight lines. In appearance you can get reeeeeeally close, but you're still infinitely away from making each part of the circle perfectly curved to that of a circle.
In the same way, to a "being of limited intellect", as you said, things may seem contradictory and make no sense. To an omnimax being, wouldn't you think He knows what He's doing? Honestly, do you think words (from Genesis or wherever) can define and measure out God accurately? God created the mind that makes words!
The Bible says God is omniscient. Well, if He can design and create both life and a universe, omniscience is not too hard for Him.
The Bible says God is omnipotent. He made our minds that attempt to grasp the idea of what power is. God made this universe. He can tinker any part of it if He really wants.
The Bible says God is Omnibenevolent. Ok, so there's suffering, and God let it be so. Could it be that God loves us so much that He allowed us to choose for ourselves whether we wanted the perfect world of Eden or the Earth we live in now, even though he knows what we were going to choose? That's called TOO MUCH free will in some definitions!
It's beyond any human explaining or reasoning or words. That's why God called Himself "I AM WHO I AM." If He revealed all that He is to us, we would go nuts and die, since it's too much for any human to handle.
He's the ultimate, perfect, and infinite contradiction. Ever since the beginning of humanity (regardless of theory behind what the beginnning really is like) God has been the question, and even now, our discussion here has proved that God still IS the question, and until Humanity is no more, God WILL be the question.
So why believe in this God that allows suffering and yet claims to be all that He is?
Words have failed to describe God and His actions. Why can't FAITH be an answer?
Point is, the omnimax being's imagination is infinitely beyond the imagination of a being of limited intellect. Infinitely; INFINITELY! We can't imagine what being infinite IS LIKE, let alone imagine what a being of infinite intellect is thinking!
Finite knowledge cannot imagine (or even extrapolate) what infinite knowledge is.
You can't draw a perfect circle with straight lines. In appearance you can get reeeeeeally close, but you're still infinitely away from making each part of the circle perfectly curved to that of a circle.
In the same way, to a "being of limited intellect", as you said, things may seem contradictory and make no sense. To an omnimax being, wouldn't you think He knows what He's doing? Honestly, do you think words (from Genesis or wherever) can define and measure out God accurately? God created the mind that makes words!
The Bible says God is omniscient. Well, if He can design and create both life and a universe, omniscience is not too hard for Him.
The Bible says God is omnipotent. He made our minds that attempt to grasp the idea of what power is. God made this universe. He can tinker any part of it if He really wants.
The Bible says God is Omnibenevolent. Ok, so there's suffering, and God let it be so. Could it be that God loves us so much that He allowed us to choose for ourselves whether we wanted the perfect world of Eden or the Earth we live in now, even though he knows what we were going to choose? That's called TOO MUCH free will in some definitions!
It's beyond any human explaining or reasoning or words. That's why God called Himself "I AM WHO I AM." If He revealed all that He is to us, we would go nuts and die, since it's too much for any human to handle.
He's the ultimate, perfect, and infinite contradiction. Ever since the beginning of humanity (regardless of theory behind what the beginnning really is like) God has been the question, and even now, our discussion here has proved that God still IS the question, and until Humanity is no more, God WILL be the question.
So why believe in this God that allows suffering and yet claims to be all that He is?
Words have failed to describe God and His actions. Why can't FAITH be an answer?
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