World without Beliefs

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Quote[/b] (www_rlxc_com @ Oct. 08 2003,2:35)]    We are in a battle, Choose a side. I do not think many aithiest are willing to strap a bomb onto themself and blow themself up for there beleifs, but islamics ARE that dedicated, us Christians are smart enough to realize we can blow up a building without using our bodies to do it
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, aka a timer on the bomb.


    When the end of the day comes, it will be the more dedicated team that wins.
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Quite honestly...I don't see a Christian Theocracy as being radically different than an Islamic one. (with the notable exception that you would never detect me in a Christian one.)

I have zero faith that I would be any less persecuted in either one. Now, I am sure that *you* would never do anything like that...but look back at what the Puritans did to non-Puritans.

Choose a side? sure. A secular government. One just like the one most of the world has.
 
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Quote[/b] (Thaddius @ Oct. 08 2003,9:49)]As for you imposing your will on everyone, I do believe that is why this country was founded, freedom.  You cannot make someone become a Christian because you feel it is right or you impose strict laws and guidlines forcing them to adhere.  If that was the case, you would have a revolution on your hands.
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Thank you. That was my whole point.
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 08 2003,9:57)]Drinking leads to alcoholism. So i figure destroy the root and the problem goes away. We are anointed by God and filled with the Spirit of God I assure you we as christians do not need such things.
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As Christians computers aren't a requirement either, neither is the internet or any of this modern technology. Neither is the car you get into everyday.  Neither is ANY beverage but water. I'll give this statement and the whole alcohol is evil arguement creedence when you eliminate all things that truly aren't needed from your life.

God does provide all we 'need'; however, we as humans desire material possesions and beverages and foods that we enjoy the taste of or the feeling of, that doesn't make you a sinner at all.

Besides it's typically not the drinking that leads to alcoholism as much as some other deeper pyschological problem such as depression which drives people to a release such as drinking to escape their problems.  Some people instead chose to escape into computers; however, we seem not to have such a harse view of internet addicts ...
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Well I dont rule the world and I never will so go ahead and get drunk if you wish. As for me I have seen the destroying affects of alcohol and will never believe in drinking. I cant call the internet addicting but I can call beer addicting.
 
I am not going to search for a bunch of info on this. I am sure people do get addicted to the internet but I think such a thing should be easy to deal with. If I remember correctly isnt beer physically addicting? Like I said I dont rule the world nor will I ever so you can go and be happy and wobble around drunk all you like.
 
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Quote[/b] ]Like I said I dont rule the world nor will I ever so you can go and be happy and wobble around drunk all you like.
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The problem with this is your delving into things you know nothing about, so instead of admiting your wrong, you call me a drunk. very upstanding of you.

Cory
 
hmm....again, you would exchange freedom in Christ for the Law of the Old Covenant. While yes, being drunk is prohibited, having a glass of wine (example) is fine, provided a few things 1) you are legally allowed to do so. A minor drinking is a sin, due to the fact that it breaks man's law and we are to obey. and 2) that you have not signed a promise or covenant to do otherwise. I see nothing wrong with the occasional drink, yet the covenant I signed when joining my church as a clause about drinking in there. For me to drink now (since I promised I would not) would be a sin.



......what was this thread about again?
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Quote[/b] (Kidan @ Oct. 09 2003,11:39)]hmm....again, you would exchange freedom in Christ for the Law of the Old Covenant.  While yes, being drunk is prohibited, having a glass of wine (example) is fine, provided a few things 1) you are legally allowed to do so. A minor drinking is a sin, due to the fact that it breaks man's law and we are to obey.  and 2) that you have not signed a promise or covenant to do otherwise.  I see nothing wrong with the occasional drink, yet the covenant I signed when joining my church as a clause about drinking in there.  For me to drink now (since I promised I would not) would be a sin.



......what was this thread about again?
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As I said we are free from sin not to sin freely. Anyway as I said I do not wish to debate this right now.
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 07 2003,3:26)]I certainly wouldent let anyone drink beer if I was running the show
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You brought the subject up, don't run away from a debate simply b/c you can't make up anything further to support your claim ...

I'll admit I'm slack on the actual verse and I'm sure someone will tell you exactly the passage where Jesus Christ turned water into wine ...

Forgot to Kidan credit for perhaps the best thought out response to the disagreement over alcohol
 
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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 07 2003,3:26)]I certainly wouldent let anyone drink beer if I was running the show
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You brought the subject up, don't run away from a debate simply b/c you can't make up anything further to support your claim ...

I'll admit I'm slack on the actual verse and I'm sure someone will tell you exactly the passage where Jesus Christ turned water into wine ...

Forgot to Kidan credit for perhaps the best thought out response to the disagreement over alcohol
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Ok you want a debate on this fine. Your analogy on the internet is a bad one first off. The internet is a source of information and has many purposes it can be used for good or bad. Now alcohol has one purpose to get drunk on. Maby the occasional drink isnt bad I have no problem with that. However in many cases it gets out of control and turns to alcoholism. Therfore I do not see the purpose of drinking when it may very well get out of hand. ~EDIT~ Dont use the well games or the internet can get out of hand. As there sole purpose is not physically addicting nor is it in any way like alcohol.
 
Psychological addiction is in many cases more harmful than physical addiction regardless of whether or not you choose to acknowledge that, think about the child who is beaten they carry the pyschological scars with them for their entire lives even though the bruses heal in mere weeks, don't try to hold the physical grip of any substance over the psychological grip of any object its simply foolish and if you do so you are foolish
 
It is not a bad analogy. overindulgence is a sin no matter what it is. Drinking is not. Being drunk, yes. why is this concept so hard for you to grasp?

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Quote[/b] ]As I said we are free from sin not to sin freely.
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Care to clarify on what exactly you mean? If you are saying that we sin freely when we drink, care to back this statement up with scripture? Careful where you point your fingers.

By the way, pop, do you drink soda?

Cory
 
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Quote[/b] (4t0p @ Oct. 09 2003,12:59)]Psychological addiction is in many cases more harmful than physical addiction regardless of whether or not you choose to acknowledge that, think about the child who is beaten they carry the pyschological scars with them for their entire lives even though the bruses heal in mere weeks, don't try to hold the physical grip of any substance over the psychological grip of any object its simply foolish and if you do so you are foolish
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No in no way did I meen to say that psychlogical addiction is lesser then physical addiction. However because somone can get addicted to the internet does not meen we should not make it available to everyone else, seeing as how it is a great source of information. Alcohol is not a source of information and does the person no good.
 
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Quote[/b] (Thaddius @ Oct. 09 2003,1:04)]It is not a bad analogy.  overindulgence is a sin no matter what it is.  Drinking is not.  Being drunk, yes.  why is this concept so hard for you to grasp?

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Quote[/b] ]As I said we are free from sin not to sin freely.
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Care to clarify on what exactly you mean?  If you are saying that we sin freely when we drink, care to back this statement up with scripture?  Careful where you point your fingers.

By the way, pop, do you drink soda?

Cory
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By my statment I meen just because we are forgiven does not give us a license to sin. When you get drunk you sin sorry if that offends you. As far as your other question I earned my title.
 
Alcohol Consumption and Risk of Stroke
Vol. 289 No. 5, February 5, 2003
Kristi Reynolds, MPH; L. Brian Lewis, MPH; John David L. Nolen, MD, PhD, MSPH; Gregory L. Kinney, MPH; Bhavani Sathya, MPH; Jiang He, MD, PhD


Do some research next time ~ in that article in the Journal of the American Medical Associaiotn a researched person would learn that moderate to low alcohol intake does help to prevent stroke ~ so much for alcohol does a person no good
 
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Quote[/b] (4t0p @ Oct. 09 2003,1:16)]Alcohol Consumption and Risk of Stroke
Vol. 289 No. 5, February 5, 2003
Kristi Reynolds, MPH; L. Brian Lewis, MPH; John David L. Nolen, MD, PhD, MSPH; Gregory L. Kinney, MPH; Bhavani Sathya, MPH; Jiang He, MD, PhD


Do some research next time ~ in that article in the Journal of the American Medical Associaiotn a researched person would learn that moderate to low alcohol intake does help to prevent stroke ~ so much for alcohol does a person no good
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I do believe in drinking four ounces of red wine a night. Your going to find debating this with me is usless the only way you are going to make me move is by proving drinking does not make you drunk and it is not addictive.
 
yet you earlier stated that you would not allow people to drink? you're a hypocrite at least be consistent if your going to be blatantly ignorant,

sorry if that is offensive but it angers me to have to see this
 
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Quote[/b] (4t0p @ Oct. 09 2003,1:22)]yet you earlier stated that you would not allow people to drink? you're a hypocrite at least be consistent if your going to be blatantly ignorant,

sorry if that is offensive but it angers me to have to see this
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I ment get drunk. No I am not a hypocryte. When I say drink I usually meen drunk sorry to confuse you. I am not being ignorent I am just standing up for what I believe in whether I have facts to support it or not.
 
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