Well, well, well....

It's something I hoped for, but something I still didn't want to here. To all the Kerry-ites, Democrats, and Bush-Haters... you just got pwned.
 
I've already heard some reaction by the Dems, they are trying to dismiss it saying that they degraded and useless. They will never acknowledge the fact that WMDs were found.

Not to get off the subject but I don't think any of us are really surprised by this. I've never heard of a liberal going back on their words and admitting they were wrong, even in the face of irrefutable evidence. They play the deflection game and blame someone else, that's what liberals do best, never taking responsibility for their actions.

Every time I hear Murtha, Pelosi or Kerry speak positively of the troops or the war, they throw in a "but" and continue to bash Bush in the same sentence. I am so sick of that.
 
I wonder what Cindy Sheean will think of this? I saw her on the news a few weeks ago and I've concluded that she's a complete idiot.
 
They should have released this back in 2003 when it happened. It's the Chuck Norris information to send all the nay-sayers back to Canada (stupid hippies!)
 
The problem is that the government can't necessarily release everything we need to hear, even to save themselves from criticism. They need to do what's best for the country, and a lot of the time that's keeping information from us.
 
Taliesin said:
They should have released this back in 2003 when it happened. It's the Chuck Norris information to send all the nay-sayers back to Canada (stupid hippies!)
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/cringe

Taliesin: I'm hoping that you're from Canada and that you meant this in jest. It's one thing to mock the Canadian-American currency exchange rate. Calling the entire nation a bunch of "stupid hippies" is crossing the line.
 
So the reason we went to war is because of Pre-Gulf War degraded sarin nerve agent and Mustard Gas, that was useless before we even invaded? I thought the reason we attacked was because we believed they had or were seeking Nuclear weapons ala the Yellow Cake fiasco.
 
Exo-Slayer said:
So the reason we went to war is because of Pre-Gulf War degraded sarin nerve agent and Mustard Gas, that was useless before we even invaded? I thought the reason we attacked was because we believed they had or were seeking Nuclear weapons ala the Yellow Cake fiasco.
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Actually, most of their significant WMDs were flown to Syria at night on gutted cargo planes before we invaded. I've actually heard an account of this first-hand from one of Saddam's top advisors who was in charge of the Iraqi Air Force during the first gulf war. He has a book out that has a lot of this information in it. He's not the only one who's been saying this either.

https://www.donationreport.com/init/controller/ProcessEntryCmd?key=C1P3Y2N7P9
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591454042/103-3900373-1356642?v=glance&n=283155
http://www.nysun.com/article/24480
 
We attacked on many reasons.

One of which was they definately had weapons prior to our ceasefire, and were not cooperating in their obligations to that with either us or the UN for the most part. The did behave, but only enough to avoid the actual spanking. Some of these weapons we gave them, some we knew they were persuing to develop.

I've always thought it odd that the anti-war argument has centered around two main arguments. Stolen oil, which noone has ever shown me proof of, only that the just know that Dubya would do somethin like that. And that we haven't found WMD. To me, it is a very scary thing to think that they had WMD and now it is unaccounted for (where did it go, or who has it now) and completely justifies the war.

Also, as for the quality of these particular hidden weapons... I'm not quite sure (Granted I haven't had much time to follow every newsstory and weed out the facts) where this information is that these weapons are useless. However it's taken us this long to find them, while everyone was saying there weren't any at all. I certainly think it's possible that there are more weapons out there.

Exo-Slayer said:
So the reason we went to war is because of Pre-Gulf War degraded sarin nerve agent and Mustard Gas, that was useless before we even invaded? I thought the reason we attacked was because we believed they had or were seeking Nuclear weapons ala the Yellow Cake fiasco.
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Taliesin: I'm hoping that you're from Canada and that you meant this in jest. It's one thing to mock the Canadian-American currency exchange rate. Calling the entire nation a bunch of "stupid hippies" is crossing the line.
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You know what's funnier? The Mexican/American exhancge rate, or ever weirder is the Jamaican/American currency exchange. My friend is going on a missions trip to Jamaica, and he said that 20 dollars is somewhere in the hundreds. (you can buy a cheeseburger for around 18-20 cents, mon!)
 
I don't know whether to say I hoped we would find them or that I hoped we wouldn't. Both, I guess.

I hoped (against all reason) that there really WEREN'T any, because that would be great. Yay for no WMDs anywhere in terrorists' hands, right?

I hoped we would find them because I did BELIEVE there weren't any. And we (I'm including our allies here) need to find them FIRST.

So I'm glad they've found these. And now I hope they find more, because I just don't believe that's all of them. In light of this, our armed forces and the civilians over there need our prayers now more than ever.

And weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Syria really scares me.
 
I'm sorry if my hippie comment sounded offensive. The go back to Canada refers to those "Americans" who ran to Canada to avoid the draft, then came back here and made a name for themselves in business and politics in the United States, which is a large portion of the American liberal base. The nay-sayers are stupid hippies, not the Canadians. I like Canada, have spent many summers there, and sincerely did not mean to offend any true Canadians by my disgust at the actions of turn-coats in my country. BTW, if any nation wants the New York Times, I'm thinking about placing their entire editorial staff on eBay for a low reserve. This story about 500 weapons didn't show up until page 12a this weekend.
 
Nobody wants the New York Times!!

Actually, that's just a joke. I try to read all the polorized media sources (Fox News vs. NYT, for example) as well as anything I can find that seems relatively moderate (maybe Reuters) ... this typically provides enough actual facts so you can understand the actual issue and why each side feels the way it does. You usually still end up thinking the same way you did in the first place, but you can then speak about it more intelgently.

Taliesin said:
I'm sorry if my hippie comment sounded offensive. The go back to Canada refers to those "Americans" who ran to Canada to avoid the draft, then came back here and made a name for themselves in business and politics in the United States, which is a large portion of the American liberal base. The nay-sayers are stupid hippies, not the Canadians. I like Canada, have spent many summers there, and sincerely did not mean to offend any true Canadians by my disgust at the actions of turn-coats in my country. BTW, if any nation wants the New York Times, I'm thinking about placing their entire editorial staff on eBay for a low reserve. This story about 500 weapons didn't show up until page 12a this weekend.
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techwhosaysnee said:
Nobody wants the New York Times!!

Actually, that's just a joke. I try to read all the polorized media sources (Fox News vs. NYT, for example) as well as anything I can find that seems relatively moderate (maybe Reuters) ... this typically provides enough actual facts so you can understand the actual issue and why each side feels the way it does. You usually still end up thinking the same way you did in the first place, but you can then speak about it more intelgently.
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Churchill said that if he could subscribe to just one newspaper, it would be the enemy's. I tune in to liberal radio like Air America (and NPR) frequently and I'm a member of Move On.org so I can get their mailings. On the other hand, I strictly avoid conservative pez dispenser media like Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush, etc. No offense to anyone who likes that stuff - because I know a pep ralley is what some people need and are looking for. But personally I'm looking to always explore my political positions and make sure they are based on truth and not what I want to believe.

Paul
 
heh,

I've tried that. I just end up irritated at some of the things that I hear them say. I tend to look at multiple news sources when it comes to what is going on in the world, but for U.S. politics I cannot stand to sit and listen to the far left. Of course the far right arn't any better when it comes to hate mongering speech, but at least I agree with the rights anti-abortion stance.

What is sad to me in American politics as the fact we promote democracy but we fail to ensure it at home. We are trapped in a 2 party system with no clear way to break out of it unless the millions of moderates finally get fed up and back an independant or other party over the big 2 that control everything.

It's great to watch elections in other countries that have more than 2 parties. (Mexico recently for instance) You know that the winning party won by such a small margine that there will be lots of negotiating before things get passed through their political system. Israel is the same way, and now Iraq. These political systems are so diverse that a party may only win by 2 or 3 percentage points and with only 30 percent of the total vote. But it is democracy in action, something our polarized system seems to have lost.


As for the origins of this post...yeah, they found old, mostly unuseable WMD's in Iraq, but I agree, the real stuff they were after is probably in Syria.

Cory

dorkelf said:
Churchill said that if he could subscribe to just one newspaper, it would be the enemy's. I tune in to liberal radio like Air America (and NPR) frequently and I'm a member of Move On.org so I can get their mailings. On the other hand, I strictly avoid conservative pez dispenser media like Fox News, Sean Hannity, Rush, etc. No offense to anyone who likes that stuff - because I know a pep ralley is what some people need and are looking for. But personally I'm looking to always explore my political positions and make sure they are based on truth and not what I want to believe.

Paul
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