Vista... ya i know...

yeah i run 64bit linux on my laptop and im thinking i may need to reinstall it because xgl messed up along with xfce and my wireless wont connect to anything anymore. reason why linux is breaking on me??? Updates

i know 64bit xp had alot of driver issues, but after the first 3 months of vista i hadnt heard many complaints. their sp1 is coming out in spring too which should fix alot of things.
 
Atown said:
yeah i run 64bit linux on my laptop and im thinking i may need to reinstall it because xgl messed up along with xfce and my wireless wont connect to anything anymore. reason why linux is breaking on me??? Updates

i know 64bit xp had alot of driver issues, but after the first 3 months of vista i hadnt heard many complaints. their sp1 is coming out in spring too which should fix alot of things.
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If SP1 does fix a lot of things that will really help Vista get up on both legs. and hopefully more people will start using it.
 
if anything they could lower the memory usage of certain m$ programs. but who knows. its only been out for a little bit and we'll see what people create for vista when they start to convert. i mean themes were the huge rage with 98 and people got seriously into that. xp had so much u could do with it and people enjoy it overall. new widgets... err i mean gadgets, could take off with 3rd party programmers, new interface tools utilizing the aero system, u never know what creativity can create.
 
The reason memory usage is so large is because microsoft just keeps adding stuff instead of forking it into compat libraries. When you include a library you are including junk from who knows when. Even if you don't use the code it is still being loaded. Microsoft makes little effort to reduce code base and rework code to be more efficient, as time goes on the bloat just keeps increasing and increasing to the point where you need several gigs of ram to have a half functioning system and 8+GB of hard disk space to even install the OS.
 
|CoR|Braveheart said:
If SP1 does fix a lot of things that will really help Vista get up on both legs. and hopefully more people will start using it.
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Vista's sp1 betas aren't improving things performance wise much at all. xp sp2(and sp3 beta) is still stomping the daylights out of it on identical hardware.
 
vibrokatana said:
The reason memory usage is so large is because microsoft just keeps adding stuff instead of forking it into compat libraries. When you include a library you are including junk from who knows when. Even if you don't use the code it is still being loaded. Microsoft makes little effort to reduce code base and rework code to be more efficient, as time goes on the bloat just keeps increasing and increasing to the point where you need several gigs of ram to have a half functioning system and 8+GB of hard disk space to even install the OS.
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the biggest reason behind Vista's voracious performance hit is all of the DRM encryption that is present inside every facet of the machine. It takes a bunch of cpu cycles to process that junk all of the time.

(WARNING! LOOOOONG POST)

http://www.hescominsoon.com/archives/743
 
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the biggest reason behind Vista's voracious performance hit is all of the DRM encryption that is present inside every facet of the machine. It takes a bunch of cpu cycles to process that junk all of the time.

(WARNING! LOOOOONG POST)

http://www.hescominsoon.com/archives/743
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A lot of my suspect is the "compositing" layer they use. In linux when running compiz you can torture the computer with certain video output systems in combination with the compositing, since windows has traditionally been with windows being non directly rendered the switch over to the compositing system is probably not done that well. Since there are few video rendering options available to windows it is likely stuck with a lower performance driver. Combine that with DRM checks and you have a bad combination for failure on systems not able to keep up.
 
|CoR|Braveheart said:
So i've heard:( i sure hope it's not true though.
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read my post about the drm very closely. The only thing that is going to improve vista's performance is faster hardware. It will never perform the same as xp on the same hardware mainly due to all of the AES DRM infesting the entire system.
 
Hescominsoon said:
read my post about the drm very closely. The only thing that is going to improve vista's performance is faster hardware. It will never perform the same as xp on the same hardware mainly due to all of the AES DRM infesting the entire system.
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Darn it, wow you have a neat little website there:D
 
Thanks..right now it's offline..i'm having server issues that i'm not sure can be fixed remotely and the datacenter is snowed in..:)
 
Hescominsoon said:
Thanks..right now it's offline..i'm having server issues that i'm not sure can be fixed remotely and the datacenter is snowed in..:)
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I've been royaly angry at cpanel on my VPS... apache is about as reliable as a snowball in the tropics for some reason... The process will be running but it will drop all connections until your restart it. I am probably going to move to lighthttp and drop the bloated apache and cpanel... I've noticed a few sites with seemingly similar issues, it's weird.
 
cpanel is one i don't use. I use virtualmin here. The issue was corruption of the base os due to a bad update..:(
 
Hescominsoon said:
cpanel is one i don't use. I use virtualmin here. The issue was corruption of the base os due to a bad update..:(
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weird, i'm guessing centos?

Usually corruption is a sign of either driver or disk issues. I had a weird issue with a machine once when the raid 1 array desynced and it would boot off the outdated one and have weird things happen.

hmm, does virtualmin use the native packages supplied by the OS? I am always annoyed that cpanel likes to keep it's own tree that complicates installing modules.
 
vibrokatana said:
weird, i'm guessing centos?

Usually corruption is a sign of either driver or disk issues. I had a weird issue with a machine once when the raid 1 array desynced and it would boot off the outdated one and have weird things happen.

hmm, does virtualmin use the native packages supplied by the OS? I am always annoyed that cpanel likes to keep it's own tree that complicates installing modules.
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it uses OS supplied packages whenever possible yes. Your right about Centos..:) I had a kernel update go wonky on a few servers however my web server is the only one that had unrecoverable problems.
 
Hescominsoon said:
it uses OS supplied packages whenever possible yes. Your right about Centos..:) I had a kernel update go wonky on a few servers however my web server is the only one that had unrecoverable problems.
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hmm, usually it keeps the last kernel in the event something goes wonky, of course that is a matter of whether you can get someone to choose it from grub.
 
vibrokatana said:
hmm, usually it keeps the last kernel in the event something goes wonky, of course that is a matter of whether you can get someone to choose it from grub.
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Of course it had tob e my server coloed on the other side of the country that dies..<G> I'm waiting on a reformat then i'll upload my backup..no biggie..<G>

*let's get this back on topic*
 
Hescominsoon said:
Of course it had tob e my server coloed on the other side of the country that dies..<G> I'm waiting on a reformat then i'll upload my backup..no biggie..<G>

*let's get this back on topic*
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talking about servers is 100x more interesting then vista will ever be.

I need to reduce more junk from this new VPS I am setting up. It takes up 60MB of ram on boot, lol. I hate how fedora installs anything and everything under the sun by default...

Code: 
[root@zyria ~]# free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        269172      57684     211488          0       4660      22036
-/+ buffers/cache:      30988     238184
Swap:       524280          0     524280

And I assure you that 256mb of ram is much more then I will ever need.
 
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