CCGR
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I know and I appreciate the compliment. I wasn't offended at all.
hope you're not either
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Umm...Dibbler, again, you're not giving any support for your argument.
Why must the Church, predating any piddly American society by at least nineteen hundred years, be forced to submit? Sin is sin and the people remain sinners.
I'll tell you what I was born as: a murderer. Plain and simple. I just know I was born to kill some loser that got in my face on the wrong day.
Guess what? I haven't. I don't intend to. But I was born for that. Or I was born to rob a teenage bombshell blind before raping her to death. Or I was born to rise to power in some First World country, target piddly countries that raise meek protests against me, and annihilate them before being assassinated by my second-in-command.
I was born for all that. I am. So were you. And so was every other stinking person on this globe. BORN FOR IT. I was born to say NO to authority, born to say GIMME MORE to sexual promiscuity, born to say YES to any random ideal that will give me leeway to do what I want, born to say SCREW THAT to whatever I feel is intruding on my personal amorality.
Yes. I was born for all that.
But guess what? I ain't. I will never do any such action (no to authority, yeah, but everything else, never). I have never done any of those atrocities above, nor shall I ever. But I was born for it. Every human alive was born for them. Born to satisfy the flesh and the cravings of such and then to continue, like a parasite, feeding off anything for Mememememememe.
Why does the Church still stand today? Because of people like you and me Dibbler. Because of people who don't know up from down in the way to live. You have no clue how to live. I do not either. Guess what? There's only one who does, and he left a manuscript for anyone willing to exert enough physical effort to pick up the 2000-page text and force one's eyes to focus on word after word and absorb: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" straight through "The Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
The Bible is not some book of mythology. Would you call the Hebrews mythological? If you went to Israel and said they were figments of your imagination (because, in a sense, you could say I am a figment of your imagination, and all this drivel running across the screen is some preconscious portion of your mentality that is absolute gibberish), they would probably drag you out, kicking and screaming, and hey, if you died, and they kept on existing, who's to say then they're figments of your diseased imagination?
Read the Bible before you spout off whatever comes to the mind of your dedos. Then give me proof proving the Bible is mythological. I can prove The Odyssey is mythology, primarily because this world lacks an identifying feature: the gods, and the gateway to Hades, and the gods screwing around with people like they did and would still be doing, had they existed.
You cannot prove the Bible is a book of myths. You can prove Bel and the Dragon from the Apocrypha is a fable, a myth, if you even so much as read THAT, and then read the Book of Daniel. Why resort to Holmesian trickery when you just got delivered from lions' tummies by an angel who got into a fight with a demon lord just trying to save you? Sounds like crap to me. And DUST? There is absolutely zero relation 'twixt the ways Bel and the Dragon and the Bible are written. Therefore, incompatible.
So myths? List some. And prove 'em before you gush them forth.
Why must the Church, predating any piddly American society by at least nineteen hundred years, be forced to submit? Sin is sin and the people remain sinners.
I'll tell you what I was born as: a murderer. Plain and simple. I just know I was born to kill some loser that got in my face on the wrong day.
Guess what? I haven't. I don't intend to. But I was born for that. Or I was born to rob a teenage bombshell blind before raping her to death. Or I was born to rise to power in some First World country, target piddly countries that raise meek protests against me, and annihilate them before being assassinated by my second-in-command.
I was born for all that. I am. So were you. And so was every other stinking person on this globe. BORN FOR IT. I was born to say NO to authority, born to say GIMME MORE to sexual promiscuity, born to say YES to any random ideal that will give me leeway to do what I want, born to say SCREW THAT to whatever I feel is intruding on my personal amorality.
Yes. I was born for all that.
But guess what? I ain't. I will never do any such action (no to authority, yeah, but everything else, never). I have never done any of those atrocities above, nor shall I ever. But I was born for it. Every human alive was born for them. Born to satisfy the flesh and the cravings of such and then to continue, like a parasite, feeding off anything for Mememememememe.
Why does the Church still stand today? Because of people like you and me Dibbler. Because of people who don't know up from down in the way to live. You have no clue how to live. I do not either. Guess what? There's only one who does, and he left a manuscript for anyone willing to exert enough physical effort to pick up the 2000-page text and force one's eyes to focus on word after word and absorb: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" straight through "The Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
The Bible is not some book of mythology. Would you call the Hebrews mythological? If you went to Israel and said they were figments of your imagination (because, in a sense, you could say I am a figment of your imagination, and all this drivel running across the screen is some preconscious portion of your mentality that is absolute gibberish), they would probably drag you out, kicking and screaming, and hey, if you died, and they kept on existing, who's to say then they're figments of your diseased imagination?
Read the Bible before you spout off whatever comes to the mind of your dedos. Then give me proof proving the Bible is mythological. I can prove The Odyssey is mythology, primarily because this world lacks an identifying feature: the gods, and the gateway to Hades, and the gods screwing around with people like they did and would still be doing, had they existed.
You cannot prove the Bible is a book of myths. You can prove Bel and the Dragon from the Apocrypha is a fable, a myth, if you even so much as read THAT, and then read the Book of Daniel. Why resort to Holmesian trickery when you just got delivered from lions' tummies by an angel who got into a fight with a demon lord just trying to save you? Sounds like crap to me. And DUST? There is absolutely zero relation 'twixt the ways Bel and the Dragon and the Bible are written. Therefore, incompatible.
So myths? List some. And prove 'em before you gush them forth.
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The only thing that you would accept as proof of myth in the Bible would be scripture, which is ridiculous. I could post you links that list the many contradictions in the bible and links that expose the false Bible prophecies. I'll do it if you like but I promise you won't like those links.[b said:
Biblical Myths
The Book of Genesis - Myth or History?
Noah's Ark - The Myth[b said:
[b said:
Sin
I stand by what I have said on the issue of the "outdated" word sin. Mankind has evolved the laws we follow by natural process through empathy and the need to live in relative peace with each other. I agree, most of us do not murder, rape, steal and generally cause hurt to others. Why would we want to do that? Knowing the hurt it causes. This is called emathy and has nothing to do with any ancient text.
To accuse your fellow man of sinning and, worse, banishing him to hell because you don't like his life style, when he is causing no harm to himself or others, is, well... un-christian at best. To use a holy book to back up what amounts to "bigotry" is worse still, IMO.
If you wish to believe in the notion of original sin that's your perogative but I respectully dissagree.
Peace
LionOfJudah
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just wondering why you post personal webpages as links and not a .org or a .net or a .gov, which are considered to be more reliabe sources, because just about anyone can get a .com
CCGR
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.org is no different getting ccgr.org was easy no extra paperwork
Lion, the government doesn't generally go around investigating Biblical claims.
Ultima, that is an extremely pessimistic view of human nature, and I flat out disagree with it. Saying that we are all born to (indicating purpose) murder, rape, rob, etc. is flat out wrong, and I will argue you to the death for that. Simply saying, in the Christian view, that we are born *sinful* is one thing, but saying we are born to live in anarchy is simply ridiculous.
Technically, we are not born "to" do anything, other than pass on our genes. However, in the course of our lives, we find other things to fill our time. With the amount of people living in the same area, we eventually figured out (just as animals, who according to some, cannot "think" did) to function together as a society. In a society, there is socially acceptable behavior, and there is also socially harmful behavior. Charity and peace fall into the former category, while all of the things you described fall into the latter. It was pretty easy to come up with a "No murdering" law, then. Seriously, such simple morals are not hard to form. Sure, some people choose to breach them, but then, just as many (if not more) Christians/religious folk have done so, often in the name of their God, than those without a religious code of law.
So I say to you then, defend your position (without the Bible...should be easy to do without verses if raping is what we are "born to do").
Ultima, that is an extremely pessimistic view of human nature, and I flat out disagree with it. Saying that we are all born to (indicating purpose) murder, rape, rob, etc. is flat out wrong, and I will argue you to the death for that. Simply saying, in the Christian view, that we are born *sinful* is one thing, but saying we are born to live in anarchy is simply ridiculous.
Technically, we are not born "to" do anything, other than pass on our genes. However, in the course of our lives, we find other things to fill our time. With the amount of people living in the same area, we eventually figured out (just as animals, who according to some, cannot "think" did) to function together as a society. In a society, there is socially acceptable behavior, and there is also socially harmful behavior. Charity and peace fall into the former category, while all of the things you described fall into the latter. It was pretty easy to come up with a "No murdering" law, then. Seriously, such simple morals are not hard to form. Sure, some people choose to breach them, but then, just as many (if not more) Christians/religious folk have done so, often in the name of their God, than those without a religious code of law.
So I say to you then, defend your position (without the Bible...should be easy to do without verses if raping is what we are "born to do").
LionOfJudah
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just using the extension and i have found a couple while doing research paper and other things, but mostly .edu is the best and most creditable source in my oppion.
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Ah yeah, I shall try at it.
Okay. 1. Humans are born for one purpose which is=make some kids and let them make some more
In the meantime, we have to drain the Earth of every natural resource we can get our grubby paws all over, and screw the Earth completely up in the process of making more babies, and, since making kids obviously isn't enough to continue to exist, we have to divide from each other into clans, tribes, cultures, societies and then fight to the death whenever two or more societies disagree by sending zealots who shall defend the society that KNOWS they're in the RIGHT, personally questioning perhaps, but acting as a unit nonetheless, into the midst of the other society to bring down THEIR zealots, who fight for what they KNOW for a fact is RIGHT.
So. Schism. It's human nature to bicker. There are no two kids who will not fight with each other or quibble over petty details (important then, petty in reality). There is none. Family schism is essential to the nuclear family, because, for some reason, breaks bridge the wake.
It's human nature to break away and set up as one's own indepently. Those who oppress this are usually fought tooth and nail, and country revolutions usually happen thanks to this (think America, think France, think civilized Europe). Now God says as much, but the Bible's absent out of this I believe, so yeah.
Nextly, it is human to want for something of another that does not belong to one. The one shall be reduced to a paralyzing state of envy that just grips the one until the one possesses the other's, or something equal to or exceeding the other's. It is human nature to want to excel, to boast, to be prideful, to be "better than you." It's not nice, but it's human, and that's a dreadful trait to have. It's admirable to excel in life: it's hardly admirable to descend into a state of unspeakable envy to further one's standards by furthering one's possessions. Human reputation is largely hinged on this ideal, despite its wrongness (and, hey, speaking of which, THAT would be an outdated ideal...but it's still kicking Dibbler, and still going strong: "Mine's bigger than yours."). The richer one is, the more important one is. The more sexually appealing one is, the more important one is. The more one possesses, the more one is measured as successful. Money and power=greatness. Materialism is a holey philosophy, but it is prevalent in today society, most notably, in Nacireman lands.
What one breaches does not determine one's character, though, admittedly, if one kills another, that is deemed socially unacceptable, merely because society has conditioned itself to believe such. However, to die in the name of Allah is very admirable (and believe me, study the Qur'an as I have, and you'll see that is the pinnacle, the SOLE affirmation of entering heaven). To commit any form of suicide, be it harakiri, kamikaze or jihad (and jihad is a wartime form of suicide...not direct, or self-exploding, but it IS a form of suicide) is deemed by Nacreman standards socially unacceptable. Tell the Arabs that, it's bigotry and jingoistic biasness and racial slur. Tell the Christians that, it's universal truth, duh.
So another aspect of human nature is to interfere where one is not wanted, which causes massive social upheavals and domestic revolutions, even. Look at feminism. Women had three or so positions in the past, and they all took place in the home or in the schools (church and primary/secondary educations alike). TODAY, even so much as mention what you as a free person (in Nacirema at least) what you think about women, be it ever so deviant from the socially accepted ideal now, you will be branded a woman-hater, a male chauvinist pig (not that the idiots who use this term KNOW what it means), anti-feminism, anti-Nacirema, anti-freedom, anti-everything-under-High-Heaven.
So again, society determines what is acceptable and what is not. If society deems rape okay, believe me, you will see rape on the bus drive home. If society deems murder okay, don't be surprised if your wife decides to politely knock you off. And if society deems thievery all right, rush over into Hugh Hefner's mansion and rob the old man blind before moving on to the Carnegie estate.
Society breeds us into what society wants. We are born to do what society encourages and discourages. Whether or not we obey these standards is of no importance. We do them or we don't do them. All men are born with one in mind: them. Not you. Them. And if you are in their way, believe me, you're next on the endangered species list for whatever freedoms or rights you claim to have. And those freedoms and rights are arbitrarily decided by, guess what, us, society.
Okay. 1. Humans are born for one purpose which is=make some kids and let them make some more
In the meantime, we have to drain the Earth of every natural resource we can get our grubby paws all over, and screw the Earth completely up in the process of making more babies, and, since making kids obviously isn't enough to continue to exist, we have to divide from each other into clans, tribes, cultures, societies and then fight to the death whenever two or more societies disagree by sending zealots who shall defend the society that KNOWS they're in the RIGHT, personally questioning perhaps, but acting as a unit nonetheless, into the midst of the other society to bring down THEIR zealots, who fight for what they KNOW for a fact is RIGHT.
So. Schism. It's human nature to bicker. There are no two kids who will not fight with each other or quibble over petty details (important then, petty in reality). There is none. Family schism is essential to the nuclear family, because, for some reason, breaks bridge the wake.
It's human nature to break away and set up as one's own indepently. Those who oppress this are usually fought tooth and nail, and country revolutions usually happen thanks to this (think America, think France, think civilized Europe). Now God says as much, but the Bible's absent out of this I believe, so yeah.
Nextly, it is human to want for something of another that does not belong to one. The one shall be reduced to a paralyzing state of envy that just grips the one until the one possesses the other's, or something equal to or exceeding the other's. It is human nature to want to excel, to boast, to be prideful, to be "better than you." It's not nice, but it's human, and that's a dreadful trait to have. It's admirable to excel in life: it's hardly admirable to descend into a state of unspeakable envy to further one's standards by furthering one's possessions. Human reputation is largely hinged on this ideal, despite its wrongness (and, hey, speaking of which, THAT would be an outdated ideal...but it's still kicking Dibbler, and still going strong: "Mine's bigger than yours."). The richer one is, the more important one is. The more sexually appealing one is, the more important one is. The more one possesses, the more one is measured as successful. Money and power=greatness. Materialism is a holey philosophy, but it is prevalent in today society, most notably, in Nacireman lands.
What one breaches does not determine one's character, though, admittedly, if one kills another, that is deemed socially unacceptable, merely because society has conditioned itself to believe such. However, to die in the name of Allah is very admirable (and believe me, study the Qur'an as I have, and you'll see that is the pinnacle, the SOLE affirmation of entering heaven). To commit any form of suicide, be it harakiri, kamikaze or jihad (and jihad is a wartime form of suicide...not direct, or self-exploding, but it IS a form of suicide) is deemed by Nacreman standards socially unacceptable. Tell the Arabs that, it's bigotry and jingoistic biasness and racial slur. Tell the Christians that, it's universal truth, duh.
So another aspect of human nature is to interfere where one is not wanted, which causes massive social upheavals and domestic revolutions, even. Look at feminism. Women had three or so positions in the past, and they all took place in the home or in the schools (church and primary/secondary educations alike). TODAY, even so much as mention what you as a free person (in Nacirema at least) what you think about women, be it ever so deviant from the socially accepted ideal now, you will be branded a woman-hater, a male chauvinist pig (not that the idiots who use this term KNOW what it means), anti-feminism, anti-Nacirema, anti-freedom, anti-everything-under-High-Heaven.
So again, society determines what is acceptable and what is not. If society deems rape okay, believe me, you will see rape on the bus drive home. If society deems murder okay, don't be surprised if your wife decides to politely knock you off. And if society deems thievery all right, rush over into Hugh Hefner's mansion and rob the old man blind before moving on to the Carnegie estate.
Society breeds us into what society wants. We are born to do what society encourages and discourages. Whether or not we obey these standards is of no importance. We do them or we don't do them. All men are born with one in mind: them. Not you. Them. And if you are in their way, believe me, you're next on the endangered species list for whatever freedoms or rights you claim to have. And those freedoms and rights are arbitrarily decided by, guess what, us, society.
I don't think you've sufficiently supported your position at all.
Besides totally contradicting your original thesis with your premise ( Humans are born for one purpose which is=make some kids and let them make some more), one which is debateable but that I would tend to agree with in a general definition, the rest ofyour argument is purely imaginary and straw. With no evidence, you make bold claims towards human nature - whether they are true or not remains to be shown.
So, a lengthy reply is not yet needed, and I still totally disagree with your view of humanity.
Besides totally contradicting your original thesis with your premise ( Humans are born for one purpose which is=make some kids and let them make some more), one which is debateable but that I would tend to agree with in a general definition, the rest ofyour argument is purely imaginary and straw. With no evidence, you make bold claims towards human nature - whether they are true or not remains to be shown.
So, a lengthy reply is not yet needed, and I still totally disagree with your view of humanity.
LionOfJudah
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I just want to comment on John 7 for you timor
it was one of the things that you listed, that i have done some study for
Jesus did tell his brothers that he was not going to go to jerusalem, but he was telling them that he wasnt going to go in the way they wanted him to go, doing maractualous signs and wonders, but instead he was going to go to observe the feast. for his time to go to jerusalem to meet the leaders of the people it was not yet time for that to happen, his brothers imagined him going to jerusalem like he does later on, on a donkey in a parade basicly. also you have to consider that not even his brothers believe he was the messiah so they wanted to see him prove himself to them and challenge the rulers of judea at the time so that the Kingdom could be restored to Isreal.
it was one of the things that you listed, that i have done some study for
Jesus did tell his brothers that he was not going to go to jerusalem, but he was telling them that he wasnt going to go in the way they wanted him to go, doing maractualous signs and wonders, but instead he was going to go to observe the feast. for his time to go to jerusalem to meet the leaders of the people it was not yet time for that to happen, his brothers imagined him going to jerusalem like he does later on, on a donkey in a parade basicly. also you have to consider that not even his brothers believe he was the messiah so they wanted to see him prove himself to them and challenge the rulers of judea at the time so that the Kingdom could be restored to Isreal.
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Dibbler. Please show me where the Bible says it took 120 years to build the ark. Nowhere in Scripture does it support a 120 year construction of the ark. That particular span of time God decreed mankind would live, from the time He made His pronouncement, to the flood. Please see Genesis 6:3. The reason God set this time limit was for repentence.
As far as the rest of your document, I had a hard time making sense due to the circular reasoning of your arguments (note: They seem quite familiar so I'm not sure if you are even claiming them to be your own. I'm not trying to be nasty here either).
From what I could gather, you felt the food argument was enough to base your claims of fallibility. Please allow me to produce some evidence. Warning, some of this may require inductive reasoning.
Just how did Noah feed and keep the animals for an entire year?
A possible solution might have involved the mysterious and remarkable factor of animal physiology known as hibernation. Hibernation is generally defined as a specific physiological state in an animal in which normal functions are suspended or greatly retarded, enabling the animal to endure long periods of complete inactivity.
A couple of quick facts worth noting...
1. The ark was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high.
2. Had a total deck of 97,700 square feet (equivalent to 20 standard basketball courts).
3. Largest ship ever built until 1884 A.D.
4. Nearly one half the length of the Queen Mary.
How did Noah find room for all the animals?
1. Total animal population would not have exceeded 35,000 vertebrates.
2. Average size would have been that of a sheep.
3. Modern train of 150 boxcars could carry this.
4. The ark had a carrying capacity of over 530 boxcars!
The most compelling evidence for the flood would have to be the fact that flood traditions can be found in the history of every ancient civilization culture. The early aborigines of nearly every country of the world have preserved records of the universal flood.
Dr. Richard Andree collected fourty-six flood legends from North and South America, twenty from Asia, five from Europe, seven from Africa, and ten from the South Sea Islands and Australia.
Marine fossils have been found atop mountains. Scientists of the nineteenth century were dismayed to find that, as high as they climbed, the rocks yielded skeletons of marine animals, ocean fish, and shells of mollusks, Thus, in ancient days, flood waters streamed over Mount Everest and all other mountains.
Additionally, a whales skeleton was once found on the top of Mount Sanhorn on the Artic Coast, and other similar skeletons a mile high on Californias's coastal range.
I could go on and on but I think I've made an adequate case. The burden of proof is on you the skeptic and I look forward to discussing this in more detail. We can move to the other passages of Genesis once the Flood is covered in depth.
God Bless.
As far as the rest of your document, I had a hard time making sense due to the circular reasoning of your arguments (note: They seem quite familiar so I'm not sure if you are even claiming them to be your own. I'm not trying to be nasty here either).
From what I could gather, you felt the food argument was enough to base your claims of fallibility. Please allow me to produce some evidence. Warning, some of this may require inductive reasoning.
Just how did Noah feed and keep the animals for an entire year?
A possible solution might have involved the mysterious and remarkable factor of animal physiology known as hibernation. Hibernation is generally defined as a specific physiological state in an animal in which normal functions are suspended or greatly retarded, enabling the animal to endure long periods of complete inactivity.
A couple of quick facts worth noting...
1. The ark was 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high.
2. Had a total deck of 97,700 square feet (equivalent to 20 standard basketball courts).
3. Largest ship ever built until 1884 A.D.
4. Nearly one half the length of the Queen Mary.
How did Noah find room for all the animals?
1. Total animal population would not have exceeded 35,000 vertebrates.
2. Average size would have been that of a sheep.
3. Modern train of 150 boxcars could carry this.
4. The ark had a carrying capacity of over 530 boxcars!
The most compelling evidence for the flood would have to be the fact that flood traditions can be found in the history of every ancient civilization culture. The early aborigines of nearly every country of the world have preserved records of the universal flood.
Dr. Richard Andree collected fourty-six flood legends from North and South America, twenty from Asia, five from Europe, seven from Africa, and ten from the South Sea Islands and Australia.
Marine fossils have been found atop mountains. Scientists of the nineteenth century were dismayed to find that, as high as they climbed, the rocks yielded skeletons of marine animals, ocean fish, and shells of mollusks, Thus, in ancient days, flood waters streamed over Mount Everest and all other mountains.
Additionally, a whales skeleton was once found on the top of Mount Sanhorn on the Artic Coast, and other similar skeletons a mile high on Californias's coastal range.
I could go on and on but I think I've made an adequate case. The burden of proof is on you the skeptic and I look forward to discussing this in more detail. We can move to the other passages of Genesis once the Flood is covered in depth.
God Bless.
Ocean-dwelling objects on the top of mountains is no mystery. In my room, I have a seashell fossil that as found on our property on the top of a mountain in Pennsylvania. Over the many years of Earth's existance, mountains formed by being pushed up ever so gradually each year - meaning that at one time, they were level and ocean covered.
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What you are talking about was geological changes occasioned by continental drift. So, your time scale is marked in a resolution of millions of years per tic. They are talking about a boat being on the side of a mountain from no longer then 10,000 years ago. Apples and oranges.[b said:
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The first COMMANDMENT OF GOd BY THE MOUTHE OF THE MESSIAH WAS "BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY"
Genesis 1:28
And this BEFORE MAN DID SIN WILLINGLY.
To suggest it is a sin for Mary to multiply or that she could not is TO BREAK THE FIRST COMMANDMENT OF GOd TO MAN.
Mary being FAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE IN SPRIITUAL THINGS THAN ANY CURRENT CHURCH AND THE COMBINED MASS OF THOSE SHEEP, WOULD NOT OF BROKEN ANY COMMANDMENT OF GOd.
Especially in light of the fact Yeshua/Jesus said My Father has NOT changed HIS original plan for man.
Mary had many more children.
According to the Douay(The Premier Roman Catholic Bible) St. Matthew 1:25 "And he(Joseph)knew her NOT till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."
Little ones, this ABSOLUTELY MEANS SHE HAD MARITAL RELATIONS WITH JOSEPH AFTER JESUS.
AND TO SUGGEST SHE DID NOT BEAR OR COULD NOT BEAR CHILDREN IS BLASPEMY!
blasphemy 3. Irreverece toward anything regarded as sacred.
By being BLESSED by GOd THE FATHER, MARY WAS MADE SACRED. AMEN
i am nothing0 and made by THE HOLY GHOST TO DEAL WITH THE ERRORS OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA. AMEN
Genesis 1:28
And this BEFORE MAN DID SIN WILLINGLY.
To suggest it is a sin for Mary to multiply or that she could not is TO BREAK THE FIRST COMMANDMENT OF GOd TO MAN.
Mary being FAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE IN SPRIITUAL THINGS THAN ANY CURRENT CHURCH AND THE COMBINED MASS OF THOSE SHEEP, WOULD NOT OF BROKEN ANY COMMANDMENT OF GOd.
Especially in light of the fact Yeshua/Jesus said My Father has NOT changed HIS original plan for man.
Mary had many more children.
According to the Douay(The Premier Roman Catholic Bible) St. Matthew 1:25 "And he(Joseph)knew her NOT till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."
Little ones, this ABSOLUTELY MEANS SHE HAD MARITAL RELATIONS WITH JOSEPH AFTER JESUS.
AND TO SUGGEST SHE DID NOT BEAR OR COULD NOT BEAR CHILDREN IS BLASPEMY!
blasphemy 3. Irreverece toward anything regarded as sacred.
By being BLESSED by GOd THE FATHER, MARY WAS MADE SACRED. AMEN
i am nothing0 and made by THE HOLY GHOST TO DEAL WITH THE ERRORS OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES.
JESUS IS THE LORD1PRAISE THE LORD1THE LORD YESHUA. AMEN
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Dear Adelphit,[b said:
It does not take the keenest powers of observation to discern that God does not need to order people to copulate. No one copulates from the sense of obedience in order to perform a painful duty reluctantly. So, what you call a "commandment" I call a curse. Humanity was saddled with an over-riding urge to copulate. And this was subsequent to the Fall of Man, and consistent with all the other Curses God had bestowed on us, which would need to be transcended before we could re-attain Paradice.
Now, Adelphit, you need to ask yourself what the New Dispensation of Christ brought to us. Christ's Mother was created pure of Original Sin and Christ Himself was born Man two generations pure of Original Sin. Christ did not marry. He told us that in Heaven we would be like the Angels -- we would be spirit and there would be no marriage. Spirits do not have sexual genitalia.
My guess, is that the New Dispensation brought to us by the Messiah was an opportunity to transcend the Curses that God had laid upon Mankind. Christ died for something, didn't He. It was that we no longer be necessarily held prisoner by the compulsive instincts of our Original Sin.
Also, look around. Do you think that we still need any further "Fruitful Multiplying"? Of course, the Protestant Capitalists desire population growth because it means a steady supply of cheap labor, and a potentially expanding market. But the growth is cancerous. Poverty is simply over-population. Six out of ten people in the world are made to get by on less than $1,500 a year. And you want to divide the pie even thinner?
Also, you like the Bible. Christ is trailed in heaven by a troupe of Virgins. It is right there in the book of Revelations. The most honored people in heaven are the Virgins. They are honored even before the Martyrs.
I guess you would have Christ sent to hell for abetting those who would violate your first commandment.
That ought to be enough to change your mind.
CCGR
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[b said:
ummm if we're so reproductive driven why is it the catholic church is against birth control and us protestants aren't (only abortiion used at contraception devices)