Vanaze's Random Rant #1

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Vanaze

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Something that bothers me?

People that are fanatically liberal without knowing WHY.

Something else that bothers me?

People that are fanatically conservative without knowing WHY.

YARR, I just can't stand to see someone stand up for something, sit there and get torn apart because they don't know what they're talking about, then complain because they thought it was unfair, when really they were just unprepared.

Just curious, off the top of your collective heads, with no dictionaries or google...

What is being conservative and what is being liberal?

Feel free to answer one or both.
 
Conservative and liberal are actually subjective terms, and cannot be interpreted outside of a specific context. Conservatism and liberalism (as they are used by most, in a political sense) have actually flip-flopped (!!!) so far as believing in big government/laissez-faire goes.
 
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Quote[/b] (rizz @ July 10 2004,9:08)]yup
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'course he likes pizza! he's rizz! i mean come on! its got a ring to it
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I only like certian pizzas, mostly vegitable ones. Does that make me conservative or liberal in the pizza debate?


By the way espresso is correct, the terms are completely determined by context.
 
liveral is the left side and the right side is the conservatives, and pizza pwns with 3x pepperoni
 
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Quote[/b] (Atown @ July 11 2004,11:29)]liveral is the left side and the right side is the conservatives, and pizza pwns with 3x pepperoni
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In that, case, I'd say I'm conservative-handed. Although, I do use my liberal hand very well concerning certain tasks (i.e. writing), as I broke my conservative arm twice as a kid.

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Espresso -- As a poli-sci major, I gotta call ya out on this one.

Conservativism HISTORICALLY was applied to people who wanted things to stay the way they WERE at the current time and liberals were those who wanted to 'progress'. Liberalism wasn't always the "LET'S KILL ALL OUR VOTERS BEFORE THEY'RE BORN1%@%!" and illogical thinking like that, once upon a time, it created our Nation.

Currently, though, yes, the definitions have definately been altered, but conservativism still is generally thought of as "old fashioned" and liberalism is posted as "ambitious and open minded".


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actually Mr. Roosevelt said that if welfare and social security and other social programs were not done away with as soon as the depression was over, they'd destroy this country.




but noone wants to remember him saying that. Kinda like noone wants to admit that the Civil War was fought over state rights v. big federal government, or that MLK Jr. preached against Affirmative Action.


oh well....
 
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Quote[/b] (Vanaze @ July 12 2004,7:04)]Espresso -- As a poli-sci major, I gotta call ya out on this one.

Conservativism HISTORICALLY was applied to people who wanted things to stay the way they WERE at the current time and liberals were those who wanted to 'progress'.  Liberalism wasn't always the "LET'S KILL ALL OUR VOTERS BEFORE THEY'RE BORN1%@%!" and illogical thinking like that, once upon a time, it created our Nation.

Currently, though, yes, the definitions have definately been altered, but conservativism still is generally thought of as "old fashioned" and liberalism is posted as "ambitious and open minded".


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Call me out? But they have flip-flopped
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Liberalism is rooted in the Enlightenment, and began with a more laissez-faire attitude, allowing that people as individuals were by nature good, and that society would run better letting nature "run its course" (so to speak), rather than legislating everything, including business (see Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations for a prime example). Nowadays, it's the conservatives who are more laissez-faire, particularly when it comes to welfare and big business, while liberals seek to control business growth and environmental impact, etc., as well as burden society with programs such as welfare.

You are correct in your statement that generally speaking, conservatism == status quo and liberalism == change, but speaking in generalities is, by nature of the beast, not very specific. When you drill down to what the terms mean in a historical context, specific to certain periods of time, you'll see that we are both correct in our statements - you see the forest, I see the trees
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Three guesses what my major and minor were
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Very nice Kidian. Martin luther king was against affermitive action. Its just another form of racism.
 
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