To vote for the lesser of evils is to vote for less evil.

[Icthus]

My feelings on the issue:
Therefore, I believe that the clear choice is the major party/candidate who, while they may have some issues in other areas, is against the killing of babys.

It is our duty as Christians to vote. We are called by God to change the world. How can we do that without taking an active role in politics?

Active participation in a non voilent affirming organization that opposes abortion. For instance, are you volunteering at a crisis pregnancy center? Are you helping maybe in an organization that promotes adoption? Some of these agencies are the front line against abortion by dealing directly with mothers in crisis.

The first century church was dealing with the killing of innocent babies as well. People were throwing out the unwanted children. The Christians were known for going and finding the children and raising them as their own. There is plenty of action one can be a part of outside of the political realm.

 

[Joshinator]

Active participation in a non voilent affirming organization that opposes abortion. For instance, are you volunteering at a crisis pregnancy center? Are you helping maybe in an organization that promotes adoption? Some of these agencies are the front line against abortion by dealing directly with mothers in crisis.

The first century church was dealing with the killing of innocent babies as well. People were throwing out the unwanted children. The Christians were known for going and finding the children and raising them as their own. There is plenty of action one can be a part of outside of the political realm.

Good point, however.
This is a political thread. I know there are other ways to combat this situation, however I was tackling the political aspect of the problem.

As Christians, we cannot vote for someone (or not vote at all, giving said someone the election) who supports abortion. It's murder.

If you vote for someone who supports murder, you are an accomplice to said murders.

 

[ewoksrule]

Yeah I think the simple fact that Romney is the only one with a remote chance of winning who will reinstate the Mexico City Policy secures my vote.

 

[Lloren]

If you vote for someone who supports murder, you are an accomplice to said murders.

I completely agree Joshinator. I hope our spectrum includes preventing invasions of other countries and the brutal murder of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as protecting the life of unborn. If we are for life and against murder it should be across the board.

 

[Pheonix28]

Here's the thing about at 3rd party...

IF you want a third party to rise in America, you can't expect it to happen at the presidential level. Fill your state house/senate with that 3rd party. Then move up to US house/senate. Be smart. The president is one man. Fill congress with your third party and THEN try for president.

 

[Odale]

Good point, however.
This is a political thread. I know there are other ways to combat this situation, however I was tackling the political aspect of the problem.

As Christians, we cannot vote for someone (or not vote at all, giving said someone the election) who supports abortion. It's murder.

If you vote for someone who supports murder, you are an accomplice to said murders.

I'm not trying to split hairs, but there's a pretty significant difference between candidates who are "pro-choice" and those who are actually pro-abortion. To my knowledge, there are no politicians who are actually pro-abortion. Pro-choice merely means that the mother has the opportunity to terminate the pregnancy. So it's actually the mother who is directly responsible for the death of the child and not the politician - that's why you volunteer at organizations that promote giving birth in lieu of abortions. That politician may just be in favor of giving women more control over their lives and their bodies.

I firmly believe that any legislation, drafted anywhere, in an effort to prevent abortions will not prevent abortions. If a woman is determined to abort then she'll get one, one way or another.

 

[Elader Arkon]

Everyone says 'get out and vote, your vote matters because every vote counts' and in the very next breath say voting for a third party is throwing away your vote. Does my voice matter or not? If it does, I should vote for what I believe in. If not, then why bother? I find my beliefs most closely align with that of Gary Johnson this election, therefore I will vote for him. Will he win this year? Probably not.

If Gary Johnson gets only 5% of the vote this year, the next election cycle will give the Libertarian Party Access to Millions. If votes can be wasted, then they have value. And I'm willing to bet mine is worth more than someone who votes for the 'lesser of two evils'.

Not only am I voting for a candidate who I actually believe in, I know my vote is going to make a tangible difference for the future. It's a win-win for a better tomorrow.

 

[The Mighty Gerbil]

I firmly believe that any legislation, drafted anywhere, in an effort to prevent abortions will not prevent abortions. If a woman is determined to abort then she'll get one, one way or another.

Can legislation prevent all abortions, no, will it prevent many yes. The same holds for any other murder. If you are determined you'll probably do the crime but that is no reason to legalize it. If you are doing something for your benefit any increase in the effort, risk, or penalty involved will reduce the number of incidences. I don't see many women risking hemorrhaging and death to self-abort. That does not free us from the responsibility of educating and convincing people of the facts but it's a start.

 

[Patriot]

So it's actually the mother who is directly responsible for the death of the child and not the politician - that's why you volunteer at organizations that promote giving birth in lieu of abortions.

We are all responsible for the decisions we make. When those decisions affect an entire nation I don't see any reason that they should be absolved of responsibility.

That politician may just be in favor of giving women more control over their lives and their bodies.

Both my wife and I were acutely aware that the little life growing (and moving) inside her, while it may have come from her (and my) body and relied on her body for sustenance, was in fact a new individual. The only people who tout the line about it being the mother's body are people looking to justify murder. That same individual still relied on the mother's body after being born for basic needs.

On a side-note, we watched October Baby last night. Very well put together movie. I recommend it to everyone. And I usually cannot recommend anything that remotely resembles a 'Christian' movie. Not a light movie but very good anyhow.

 

[ewoksrule]

Everyone says 'get out and vote, your vote matters because every vote counts' and in the very next breath say voting for a third party is throwing away your vote. Does my voice matter or not? If it does, I should vote for what I believe in. If not, then why bother? I find my beliefs most closely align with that of Gary Johnson this election, therefore I will vote for him. Will he win this year? Probably not.

If Gary Johnson gets only 5% of the vote this year, the next election cycle will give the Libertarian Party Access to Millions. If votes can be wasted, then they have value. And I'm willing to bet mine is worth more than someone who votes for the 'lesser of two evils'.

Not only am I voting for a candidate who I actually believe in, I know my vote is going to make a tangible difference for the future. It's a win-win for a better tomorrow.

I guess that is cool from a real long term big picture. It will do nothing to help the next 4 years, and you are helping Obama by doing that. It is a win for many years out but a loss for tomorrow in my opinion. I voted and supported Ron Paul as much as I could, but when it was decided that it was only Romney or Obama that is when I had to leave who I believed in at the door.

 

[Pheonix28]

I guess that is cool from a real long term big picture. It will do nothing to help the next 4 years, and you are helping Obama by doing that. It is a win for many years out but a loss for tomorrow in my opinion. I voted and supported Ron Paul as much as I could, but when it was decided that it was only Romney or Obama that is when I had to leave who I believed in at the door.

It wouldn't do anything long term either, except potentially get Obama elected. As I said before... president is not the office to be trying to elect a third party. If you truly want to make a difference in the way our political system works (2 party) then you need to start at lower levels. You dont start at the top.

 

[Elader Arkon]

Who says anything about *starting* at the top? What's wrong with voting for your ideals from the bottom all the way up to and including the top? It's not like the President is the only official getting elected this year... Romney is going to be just as bad a president as Obama, and neither of them are going to bring about the utter destruction of America or its morality in 4 years.

Nobody should sacrifice their integrity as a responsible citizen of the United States for what could barely be called short term gain. If you think Romney most closely matches what you want in a president, then vote for him. If it's Obama that most closely matches that, then vote for him. Gary Johnson, Green Party, Constitution party, Justice Party, same thing. Don't ever vote for someone you don't believe in just to keep someone else out. That is the very thing that is causing such a rift in our political system. It would be better to not even vote at all.

 

[Pheonix28]

Don't ever vote for someone you don't believe in just to keep someone else out. That is the very thing that is causing such a rift in our political system. It would be better to not even vote at all.

That's a very bold statement. The fact of the matter is, a third party will do nothing except keep the incumbent in. As for your claim that Romney will be "as bad as Obama" you clearly haven't been following Obama's politics the last 4 years. He might be different, and he might not be the best choice, he is however, a million times better than Obama.

Again, if you want to vote for Johnson go ahead, but don't fool yourself into thinking you're doing anything to "make the future better." I am not a Romney supporter, however I understand what is at stake, and I know that voting for a third party is just taking votes away from Romney, and in essence, voting for Obama.

I won't be commenting on this thread anymore, as it's not worth it.

 

[Lloren]

I'm encouraged by the civility and tone maintained in this thread. Good work everyone.

It's great to discuss and respect each other's opinions without personal attacks. Especially politics and it's easy to get passionate and embittered about our ideals.