The Soul

[Dark Virtue]

The word soul in Gen 2:7 is nephesh, which definition is it using?

1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion

a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man

b) living being

c) living being (with life in the blood)

d) the man himself, self, person or individual

e) seat of the appetites

f) seat of emotions and passions

g) activity of mind

1) dubious

h) activity of the will

1) dubious

i) activity of the character

1) dubious

I think it's 1 b, so it would read: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

What does that have to do with an immaterial, supernatural essence?

Question 2
What is the evidence for us having a soul?
The bible

That's like saying George Lucas is evidence that the Force exists.

Question 3 Where did your notions/ideas of the soul come from? Specific examples please The bible again The bible is pretty specific But here you are DV (God bless YA!)

The Bible, indeed, is very specific, but I think you're missing the reading into it whaisn't there, as evidenced in your answer to question 1.

 

[PapaToad]

Question 2
What is the evidence for us having a soul?
The bible

That's like saying George Lucas is evidence that the Force exists.

This too me is rude. The bible to me and Millions of Christains is the living breathing Word of GOD. It guides my every day life. My Every decision. It makes me a person who strives to be a true disiple of Christ.

George Lucas made some awesome movies, but he doesn't bring Salvation DV no one but God can grace that to us. Thru his Son the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus and lucas are not in the same boat. it really offends me that you even made that comment. This is a christain site with christain views. The bible is our Sword our Guide, our protection. Please exersise a little reverence when discussing it. We ( Christains) base our Life out of that book. this is not a movie too us, the reality of the Bible is in our Spirit and Soul. We do not appreciate our Lord and Savoir and his word being Mocked. Least I don't. ok Rant over.

The Bible, indeed, is very specific, but I think you're missing the reading into it whaisn't there, as evidenced in your answer to question 1.

DV I disagree with you , I think your trying to over simpfly what God Did:

Taken from the Spiritual man by Watchmen Nee

THE CREATION OF MAN

And Jehovah God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (Gen. 2.7 ASV). When God first created man He formed him of dust from the ground, and then breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. As soon as the breath of life, which became man's spirit, came into contact with man's body, the soul was produced. Hence the soul is the combination of man's body and spirit. The Scriptures therefore call man a living soul. The breath of life became man's spirit; that is, the principle of life within him. The Lord Jesus tells us it is the spirit that gives life (John 6.63). This breath of life comes from the Lord of Creation. However, we must not confuse man's spirit with God's Holy Spirit. The latter differs from our human spirit. Romans 8.16 demonstrates their difference by declaring that it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God. The original of the word life in breath of life is chay and is in the plural. This may refer to the fact that the in-breathing of God produced a twofold life, soulical and spiritual. When the in-breathing of God entered man's body it became the spirit of man; but when the spirit reacted with the body the soul was produced. This explains the source of our spiritual and soulical lives. We must recognize, though, that this spirit is not God's Own life, for the breath of the Almighty gives me life (job 33.4). It is not the entrance of the uncreated life of God into man, neither is it that life of God, which we receive at regeneration. What we receive at new birth is God's Own life as typified by the tree of life. But our human spirit, though permanently existing, is void of eternal life.

"Formed man of dust from the ground" refers to man's body; "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life" refers to man's spirit as it came from God; and "man became a living soul" refers to man's soul when the body was quickened by the spirit and brought into being a living and self-conscious man. A complete man is a trinity the composite of spirit, soul and body. According to Genesis 2.7, man was made up of only two independent elements, the corporeal and the spiritual; but when God placed the spirit within the casing of the earth, the soul was produced. The spirit of man touching the dead body produced the soul. The body apart from the spirit was dead, but with the spirit man was made alive. The organ thus animated was called the soul.

Man became a living soul expresses not merely the fact that the combination of spirit and body produced the soul; it also suggests that spirit and body were completely merged in this soul. In other words, soul and body were combined with the spirit, and spirit and body were merged in the soul. Adam in his unfallen state knew nothing of these ceaseless strivings of spirit and flesh which are matters of daily experience to us. There was a perfect blending of his three natures into one and the soul as the uniting medium became the cause of his individuality, of his existence as a distinct being. (Pember'sEarth's Earliest Age) Man was designated a living soul, for it was there that the spirit and body met and through which his individuality was known. Perhaps we may use an imperfect illustration: drop some dye into a cup of water. The dye and water will blend into a third substance called ink. In like manner the two independent elements of spirit and body combine to become living soul. (The analogy fails in that the soul produced by the combining of spirit and body becomes an independent, indissoluble element as much as the spirit and body.)

God treated man's soul as something unique. As the angels were created as spirits, so man was created predominantly as a living soul. Man not only had a body, a body with the breath of life; he became a living soul as well. Thus we find later in the Scriptures that God often referred to men as souls. Why? Because what the man is depends on how his soul is. His soul represents him and expresses his individuality. It is the organ of man's free will, the organ in which spirit and body are completely merged. If man's soul wills to obey God, it will allow the spirit to rule over the man as ordered by God. The soul, if it chooses, also can suppress the spirit and take some other delight as lord of the man. This trinity of spirit, soul and body may be partially illustrated by a light bulb. Within the bulb, which can represent the total man, there are electricity, light and wire. The spirit is like the electricity, the soul the light, and body the wire. Electricity is the cause of the light while light is the effect of electricity. Wire is the material substance for carrying the electricity as well as for manifesting the light. The combination of spirit and body produces soul, that which is unique to man. As electricity, carried by the wire, is expressed in light, so spirit acts upon the soul and the soul, in turn, expresses itself through the body.

However, we must remember well that whereas the soul is the meeting-point of the elements of our being in this present life, the spirit will be the ruling power in our resurrection state. For the Bible tells us that it is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body (I Cor. 15.44). Yet here

is a vital point: we who have been joined to the resurrected Lord can even now have our spirit rule over the whole being. We are not united to the first Adam who was made a living soul but to the last Adam who is a life-giving spirit (v.45).

So you see! if you want to read more it is a wonderful book. We have three distinct parts

A Spirit
A Soul
And Flesh

The more you understand how these work, the more you'll grasp the Spiritual realms God created. Wether you care to believe this or not DV does nothing to distrub its reality.

God Bless you DV, thanks for having to make my use my researching skils Wether you know it or not you are a Blessing to many of us. You make us defend our Faith. Thank you

 

[Dark Virtue]

No disrespect was intended, it was a simple analogy. Let me explain: You are trying to validate a point from within the document it came in. Was that more clear?

About the word "soul" in the previous verse in Gen, let me ask you again, what definition of nephesh are you using?

I think you are overcomplicating the issue.

 

[PapaToad]

No disrespect was intended, it was a simple analogy. Let me explain: You are trying to validate a point from within the document it came in. Was that more clear?

About the word "soul" in the previous verse in Gen, let me ask you again, what definition of nephesh are you using?

I think you are overcomplicating the issue.

The concept between Spirit, Soul, and Flesh, is complicated if you do not believe in a spiritual realms. (heavenly)Mind, body, spirit is a confused and butchered version of the original design of God.
It is simply:

Spirit
Soul
Flesh

Again From the Spiritual Man:

When God first created man He formed him of dust from the ground, and then breathed the breath of life into his nostrils. As soon as the breath of life, which became man's spirit, came into contact with man's body, the soul was produced. Hence the soul is the combination of man's body and spirit. The Scriptures therefore call man a living soul. The breath of life became man's spirit; that is, the principle of life within him. The Lord Jesus tells us it is the spirit that gives life (John 6.63). This breath of life comes from the Lord of Creation.

So it can not just be a 1b in definition meaning it needs the body for continued exsistance.
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
b) living being

Rev 6:9-11
9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.

Matthew 10:28-29
28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny[a]? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.

Now here the souls exsists after bodily death. But it can be destroyed (killed) after the the flesh is destroyed(killed) So a living breathing body (flesh) is not needed for the soul to be maintained. So the term Living Soul would be correct if we understand that the flesh is not needed to maintain the "Life" of the soul. For it can exsist after the flesh dies.

So nephesh would better be defined as: 1d
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
d) the man himself, self, person or individual

Now back to your oringinal 3 questions

What exactly IS a soul?
Biblically speaking; I will direct you back to this link about the Spiritual Man that comes with biblical references

What is the evidence for us having a soul?
As Always I will direct you back to the Bible

Where did your notions/ideas of the soul come from? Specific examples please.
I have done this.

So DV there is my two cents. Agree or disagree. These references are all bibically based. So weather it is immortal or not? if as christains we believe God created everything the he has the power to destroy it as well. as stated in scripture.

Hopefully someone is learning something out there.