The Serpent in the Garden

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Quote[/b] (mrpopdrinker @ Oct. 15 2003,5:13)]So you cant argue against the scriptures so you go against Paul? I am sorry but Mary is no different then I. I gave you versus in which Mary herself said she was a sinner. I gave you a verse that says Mary is no different. I gave you a verse that said she did not die a virgen. You cannot refute this because you cannot prove your claims because they are false and do not go with the Word.

If you would only read my arguments, then I would not have to repeat myself.

The old testament had a phrase "the man did not eat until he died". This is the same gramatically as Joseph did not know Mary until the Birth of Jesus". It means that Joseph did not have relations with Mary that would explain the birth of Jesus. It no more presupposes copulation afterward than the sentence about the dead man means that he had a big meal immediately after he was deceased. This is the tenth time I have had to trot out this argument. Pay attention. You try my patience.

Then you quote the line that "A woman shouted to Jesus that 'Blessed is the Woman who gave thee Birth', and Jesus rejoined, "Rather She is Blessed because She Heard the Word of God and Obeyed it". He is telling the Silly Woman in the crowd that His Mother is Blessed for Her Virtue and not just because She gave Him Birth. HOW IS IT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING?

 

[mrpopdrinker]

Leo you are misquoting scripture. Or do the catholics have a new twisted Bible of their own now? First the apocrypha now are you guys changing the rest of the Bible?

 

[CCGR]

Joseph had nothing to do with Jesus' birth, God did that. He did not "know" her. She was a virgin. But after Jesus, they did things husbands and wives to and had offspring the old fashioned way. There are references to Jesus' earthly kin mentioned in the Bible. I don't think it's general terms like we're all brothers and sisters in the Lord. etc