Actually, that second ticket you could take to court and have overruled since he can, in fact, only charge you once legally. Some rights are never revoked even while in prison, the right to a fair trial before your peers is one of them, when your sentence is up you are legally entitled to be released by the law, if you say you are going to commit another crime they can take you to court and try you for planning a crime, which itself is a crime, but they still have to try you for it, indefinite prison sentences are unlawful and have no basis in the US constitution.
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Actually, that second ticket you could take to court and have overruled since he can, in fact, only charge you once legally. Some rights are never revoked even while in prison, the right to a fair trial before your peers is one of them, when your sentence is up you are legally entitled to be released by the law, if you say you are going to commit another crime they can take you to court and try you for planning a crime, which itself is a crime, but they still have to try you for it, indefinite prison sentences are unlawful and have no basis in the US constitution.
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Unfetered
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You seem to like going around topics. I did not say anything about fighting the second ticket. I stated with this law I would have no problem with the cop giving you another ticket due to you confessing that you were going to speed again.
If I may ask how many times have you been in prison? I can tell you that while in prison disciplinary action can be enforced without need of a new trial or sentence due to not being charged with a new crime but being charged with a disciplinary infraction. There have been multiple times inmates cause an infraction on day of release and are detained for months extra without a new charge or months extra with court dates stretched for months and then that trial that you are waiting for to prove your innocence is a year or two down the road. This is how the world works and I am sure other countries jail policies and prisoner policies are far worse.
People in this country take advantage of the fact they have rights and are ignorant to the fact if you violate laws these rights can be taken from you. As I posted in the other thread this law is just an "while incarcerated" version of the Patriot Act. Glad they are finally doing something about this.
Applying the "if they do that to these people they will do that to these people" title in this thread is all based on fear and Satan brings that fear. We should all know God protects his children and turns all things around for his glory.
It's you who is side-stepping the issue, if you can fight the second parking ticket and succeed, it is because it is an unlawful parking ticket. Just because an officer does something, doesn't mean they are allowed to do it.
People on parole(serving sentence outside of prison) commit a crime and are incarcerated, as they are still not through their sentence. People on probation and do so have to have a hearing, and then are incarcerated if found guilty, they aren't just incarcerated. People who have finished their sentence and commit a crime are taken to court and tried like any other person.
You seem to be confusing what happens to someone after their sentence is complete with what happens while their sentence is being carried out.
ursen
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I think I should have never posted on this, because this is getting crazy. It was just informational and food for thought, not meant for all this hoorah. Everybody take a deep breath, relax and go to your corners for now please. Politics, religion, and legislation does it every time. And Unfetered I am willing to bet that you are not the only one who reads these forums who has been the guest of the government in the greybar hotel.
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Unfetered
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I am not side-stepping anything. First we were talking about speeding not parking. Parole violators are taken back to court for their violation as well as being incarcerated. We can agree to disagree. Main point was that i am glad this is being done for incarcerated people that are still a danger to society, this has nothing to do with released inmates or offenders. God Bless.
Ursen never said I was the only visitor to the grey bars just asking OrryW if he had life experience with it.
Whoops, meant to say speeding ticket. I'd rather they got tried upon release if there was reason to suspect they were going to commit another crime, as opposed to unlawful detainment.
Durruck
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Unfetered said:
For His glory, yes. But we are not promised anything about this life being easy. In fact, Jesus tells us quite the opposite:
John 15 said:
The Christians in Caesar's household were, at the time, quiet about their faith. Nero had a habit of using Christians as garden lamps...while they were still alive. But Paul wanted the church of Philippi to remain strong in their faith, despite their persecution - knowing that other Christians were facing death but remaining faithful to Jesus.Philippians 4 said:
Philippians 1 said:
Paul was persecuted, jailed, ship-wrecked, stoned and left for dead, beaten... and yet still he was able to continue to preach the Good News. God does not protect our earthly bodies from harm, but He does protect our eternal destination. And yes, it is all for His glory.
Unfetered
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I never stated life was easy, I stated God turns all things around for his glory.
Durruck
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Actually, you are correct. You didn't say it would be easy, you said we were protected. The scripture I quoted above also contradicts that statement.
And the thread is not based in fear, it's based in reality. Ever heard the expression, "If you give him an inch, he'll take a mile" or something similar? The idea is valid - humans tend to keep pushing as long as they don't get caught, punished, or over-ruled.
My point through this whole thread is that there is no person that the freedoms don't apply to. The US government is structured so that everyone has the same rights, by default. To deny any given group of people a right means that you are willing to say "all...except" and one you start building exceptions, it becomes increasingly difficult to stop building them.
So back to the original case, I don't like what pedophiles do, but I am willing to stand up for their rights, because it is what is right.
And the thread is not based in fear, it's based in reality. Ever heard the expression, "If you give him an inch, he'll take a mile" or something similar? The idea is valid - humans tend to keep pushing as long as they don't get caught, punished, or over-ruled.
My point through this whole thread is that there is no person that the freedoms don't apply to. The US government is structured so that everyone has the same rights, by default. To deny any given group of people a right means that you are willing to say "all...except" and one you start building exceptions, it becomes increasingly difficult to stop building them.
So back to the original case, I don't like what pedophiles do, but I am willing to stand up for their rights, because it is what is right.
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Unfetered
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I said God protects his children which is true. Are you dead? Thank God for that.
Here are some verses:
(Gen 28:15) I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you."
(Isa 46:4) Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you.
(2 Th 3:3) But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.
(Josh 1:7-9) Be strong and very courageous. Be careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go."
Psalm 41:1-2 Blessed is he who has regard for the weak; the LORD delivers him in times of trouble.The LORD will protect him and preserve his life; he will bless him in the land and not surrender him to the desire of his foes.
(Psalm 91: 11).God Will Command His Angels to Protect You Wherever You Go
Durruck
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My death will not indicate an end to God's protection, it will indicate the time when His use for me being here has ended, or there is a gain to be secured by my death. Either way, my time here will be over when God wills it - it has nothing to do with a lack of protection on His part or faith on mine.
A long life does not indicate God's protection by default; nor does a short life indicate God withholding His grace.
Besides, I think you're taking at least two of those verses out of context.
Gen 28:15 is a specific promise to Jacob to return him to his home before he dies. This is written as a literal conversation to a specific person, not speaking to all of humanity.
Isa 46 is a specific promise to the scattered remnants of the Tribe of Jacob (Israel), promising that He would not let the Jewish nation be destroyed (by complete elimination of it's people)
I'll be honest, it's late and I'm exhausted. I'm not going to look up the other verses to see what their context was.
A long life does not indicate God's protection by default; nor does a short life indicate God withholding His grace.
Besides, I think you're taking at least two of those verses out of context.
Gen 28:15 is a specific promise to Jacob to return him to his home before he dies. This is written as a literal conversation to a specific person, not speaking to all of humanity.
Isa 46 is a specific promise to the scattered remnants of the Tribe of Jacob (Israel), promising that He would not let the Jewish nation be destroyed (by complete elimination of it's people)
I'll be honest, it's late and I'm exhausted. I'm not going to look up the other verses to see what their context was.
Unfetered
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Those were verses showing that God protects his children. Again I it looks like I will agree to disagree. Seems I have way different beliefs than a large portion of people on these forums so I will bow out.
Stc95
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I hope you don't mean bow out permanently and I hope that means you won't continue to occasionally share your input and ideas when the discussion arises.