Super Bowl XLI

Nope. NOBODY wants to hear that an "all loving God" wants evil to happen to them. LIES!

Maybe that was just for argument's sake, or to better explain what I said, but I'm not saying God wants evil to happen to anyone, but losing a football game is hardly evil. I'm just saying that God's plan for either coach/player/team may or may not having included winning the Super Bowl this year or ever. I don't know, but maybe it would have been better to simply say "just because one coach lost doesn't mean he isn't as good as Christian as the other."

My apologies for any confusion caused on my part, simply giving my $0.02
 
I don't know, but maybe it would have been better to simply say "just because one coach lost doesn't mean he isn't as good as Christian as the other."

Then, what, exactly, is the point of prayer?

If it's all part of God's plan, then it doesn't sound like prayer will sway his plan any.

It's like a farmer that prays for rain, but his neighbor, the rancher, prays for sunshine.
 
Then, what, exactly, is the point of prayer?

If it's all part of God's plan, then it doesn't sound like prayer will sway his plan any.

It's like a farmer that prays for rain, but his neighbor, the rancher, prays for sunshine.

Most players don't pray "God let my team win." Most Christian atheletes pray something like this, "God please protect us all [both teams] from getting hurt. Keep us safe and help all of us [both teams] play well. Help us [both teams] to do your will and be with us & guild our actions."
 
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Not trying to be antagonistic (no, really), but if both coaches are devout Christians and both claim that God was on their side...why did one win over the other? Was one more holy than the other? Did God help one side more than another? Did God help at all?
If God wasn't a deciding factor in the game, then why bring it up at all?

1. to witness (but everyone here should know this).
2. to show that you can make it in a difficult profession while maintaining Christian values (I've been told one coach does not coach in the traditional manner of yelling and cussing at the players to motivate them).
3. to remain humble.
4. after winning any award people generally thank all the people who help them. Wouldn't it be impolite to exclude the one who you believe helped you most? Most Christians thank God regardless of wining or losing as well. In the case of the superbowl it takes a lot to even get there and just because one comes in second is no reason to be ungrateful to those who helped you. Are you ungrateful that you can see when you see a blind man? No matter how bad my life gets it could always be worse and I praise God that it is not. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it" 1 Corinthians 10:13

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That's like asking why bad things happen to good people in a way. It's all part of God's plan.

Nope. NOBODY wants to hear that an "all loving God" wants evil to happen to them. LIES!

I'll try to find a link with a GREAT explanation!

I don't know if this is a "great explanation" but it is mine. You can't exclude a person from evil happening to them as all have sinned. So the question becomes why did God let evil into this world at all. The short answer is what if he had not? If evil ceased to exist one would have no choice but to be good or perfect (as I have stated in another thread a person cannot choose to be neutral similar to Adam and Eve pre apple). If everyone was perfect everyone would be God and what could the point of this universe be? This isn't a Taoist philosophy where good and evil are in equal proportion though. God's ultimate plan for us is to do us good. In the end Good (not our definition of good but God's good) will be proven to be greater than evil. Evil exists to show that good is good and so that our choices would have value. Value requires a scale. How could we enjoy coming back home if we had never left it?

Then, what, exactly, is the point of prayer?
If it's all part of God's plan, then it doesn't sound like prayer will sway his plan any.

It doesn't sway God's plan any. How then can God answer prayers? Since he already knows aforetime if you are going to pray or not he has already put the proper answer in motion. A lot of people seem to think of praying to God is like a genie who grants wishes if you are "good" enough, not true. Jesus was perfect in all his deeds and still had to do something he did not want to do in order to save us...die. This verse illustrates this "And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt" Matthew 26:39. The point of prayer is to align oneself to the will of God not vica versa. Going to church serves this purpose as well. God does not need worship to exist, our worship of him is ultimately for our benefit so that we keep him and his will in our hearts, soul and mind. This is the intent behind the Sabbath and prayer. God does care about our well-being and answers prayers but like any child asking a father for something sometimes the answer is "no" as what we ask for is not always what is good for us.

The only religion (note I said religion, not Christianity) I want to see on the field is a hail mary?

Ok you don't have to like it. I don't like cussing and still express my opinion (politely) to those who do. Regardless this is still America and we all have to tolerate (to a degree) people using freedoms we have been given in ways we don't agree with. Besides would you rather see a wardrobe malfunction...gag :rolleyes: :p .
 
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Wouldn't it be impolite to exclude the one who you believe helped you most?

I think you worded that PERFECTLY!

Most players don't pray "God let my team win." Most Christian atheletes pray something like this, "God please protect us all [both teams] from getting hurt. Keep us safe and help all of us [both teams] play well. Help us [both teams] to do your will and be with us & guild our actions."

Yet the winners thanked God for helping them win, "doing it the Lord's way".
 
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Wouldn't it be impolite to exclude the one who you believe helped you most?

I think you worded that PERFECTLY!

Thank you DV I worded specifically for you not wishing to go off topic after the Saddam thread (already I think the "point of prayer" question is getting just a little far a football field hehe). A belief has no connotations of whether it exists or not only that it is reality to the believer. Re-thinking it however it's going to be quite repetitive and silly If we all have to say I belief, we believe or I think in every discussion so please forgive me if I don't use it ad nauseam and we will all try to stay on topic.

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Most players don't pray "God let my team win." Most Christian atheletes pray something like this, "God please protect us all [both teams] from getting hurt. Keep us safe and help all of us [both teams] play well. Help us [both teams] to do your will and be with us & guild our actions."

Yet the winners thanked God for helping them win, "doing it the Lord's way".

I explained this in the post up above (reason #2 no yelling, cussing etc.) . The 700 club did a short spot on the coaches and people. They wanted people to know you could have success while maintaining Christian values. Tony Dungy was quoted on the 700 club as saying his priorities where Faith first, family second, work third. In a society that looks to those with fame and fortune as role models isn't it apt that they say they did it in a moral way which is to them (more topic limiting here :p ) is the Lord's way? That doesn't mean we should look to them as role models it means that some people are going to whether we want them to or not. Given that people will always let a person down eventually we point them to the one role model who (ahem we believe) will never fall short.
 
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Thank you DV I worded specifically for you not wishing to go off topic after the Saddam thread (already I think the "point of prayer" question is getting just a little far a football field hehe). A belief has no connotations of whether it exists or not only that it is reality to the believer. Re-thinking it however it's going to be quite repetitive and silly If we all have to say I belief, we believe or I think in every discussion so please forgive me if I don't use it ad nauseam and we will all try to stay on topic.

The problem is that few people understand the difference between BELIEF and KNOWLEDGE.

The 700 club did a short spot on the coaches and people. They wanted people to know you could have success while maintaining Christian values.

Maybe you can explain this further. Your sentence implies that you can NOT have success while maintaining Christian values. Is that the case? It's my understanding that the majority of successful people in this country are Christian, but what makes them the majority isn't the fact that God has helped them become successful, but that Christians are in the majority of the population anyway.

I find it ludicrous, however, when you have people like rappers thanking God for their success when their career was built around unChristian songs (sex, drugs, etc).

On the other hand, you don't see atheists, who are in the minority, go out of their way to display their atheism. A good example of this would be, arguably, the most successful, richest man in the world, Bill Gates.
 
I find it ludicrous, however, when you have people like rappers thanking God for their success when their career was built around unChristian songs (sex, drugs, etc).

This bothers me a ton too. I gag.

On the other hand, you don't see atheists, who are in the minority, go out of their way to display their atheism. A good example of this would be, arguably, the most successful, richest man in the world, Bill Gates.

If success is based on wealth, then yes he's the winner. But, to me success is built on happiness. I think I'm the winner there :D
 
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