Jango
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I know, what I"m saying is, if she went to Hell, it'd be even more hard to decide. But if she went to Heaven, it'd be easier.
Suicide
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Kidan
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well what Extral describes is murder.[b said:
it's taking the life of someone, without the 'blessing' of authority. (authority's blessing would be things such as self-defense, serving the the armed forces, or a cop shooting someone in the line of duty)
That would be covered by the 10 commandments.
Just because it's himself, doesn't mean anything.
but an interesting article on this discussion can be found Here
Kidan
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but such things is impossible.[b said:
our salvation is not based on anything that we, or someone else does. It's based on the grace of Christ.
Jango
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Of course it isn't possible. It's just a "what if" thing.
well, what if you feel that you are a danger to others and shoot yourself in selfdefence?
One other fact is still not mentioned as I could see; Mortal sins, if you die with a mortal sin on your soul you'd go straight to hell, then would you condem yourself by knowingly dying for someone?
One other fact is still not mentioned as I could see; Mortal sins, if you die with a mortal sin on your soul you'd go straight to hell, then would you condem yourself by knowingly dying for someone?
Jango
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You can control your actions. You choose if you want to be a threat or not.
Of course, even if we die and have some sins that are not forgiven, if we are saved, we'll go to Heaven.[b said:
Corpfox
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Sounds like a big 'if'.
So, your saying 'if' the time came, 'some' will not go to heaven?
So, your saying 'if' the time came, 'some' will not go to heaven?
CCGR
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only way to heaven is through Jesus no matter how you die, you can only get in if you make him Lord of you life. If you give him the steering wheel, why would you kill yourself?
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What misery are we in that we decide to put ourselves out of it?
I have no problem with suicide...uh-oh. The door was just kicked in by the feds. I think they're going to take me to the psych ward now for 90 days' evaluation. Sorry guys.
I'm not going to commit it, but I don't personally have a whole lot wrong with it. A lot of people say it's selfish and whatnot, because you have no idea how badly you're going to hurt others around you.
Pshaw, I say. Whose life is it? What if God wants to make a message out of your life with your death? What if you're sick of the sinful world and just want to be with your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ forever and ever, amen? Or what if you're drugged out when you slip off into Elysium? Was that murder? If it was accidental, unexpected and not intentional, then it's not murder, because murder requires, gasp, premeditation to classify as murder.
Some people do think about killing themselves, think it out how, in all its details; so yes, in a sense, I suppose you could call it murder. But I wouldn't. I would just classify it as death. Sure it may be sad and tragic and all, but the world continues to move on.
Hey, even Paul was torn between "leaving the world" and continuing his work for the Messiah...if I recollect.
And, uhh, dying with a mortal sin isn't hellbinding, I don't think. Unless God systematically picks people off when they're sinning so he can give them a one-way ticket to hell, since he definitely didn't come to save such filthy sinners. No. If you die sinning, or if you die scratching your head, there's no difference. If you're covered with Christ's blood, you're clean in God's eyes. But it helps keep the people on their toes; sin is not something God approves of, and something that most Christians desire to avoid, if only to please God.
Think of it in the humiliating way, then: what if you die copulating? Embarrassing, sure, but if it's your wife, then I don't think God's going to mention it up as a mortal sin (unless God's Catholic, and you two were using contraception...) and bar you from the Celestial City. I mean, what if you were in mid-thought and a sick, evil thought flashed across your mind at the same point a heavensent Bullet Train roared across your fiendish body? No. It's stupid to think that way.
If you're covered, you're covered.
I have no problem with suicide...uh-oh. The door was just kicked in by the feds. I think they're going to take me to the psych ward now for 90 days' evaluation. Sorry guys.
I'm not going to commit it, but I don't personally have a whole lot wrong with it. A lot of people say it's selfish and whatnot, because you have no idea how badly you're going to hurt others around you.
Pshaw, I say. Whose life is it? What if God wants to make a message out of your life with your death? What if you're sick of the sinful world and just want to be with your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ forever and ever, amen? Or what if you're drugged out when you slip off into Elysium? Was that murder? If it was accidental, unexpected and not intentional, then it's not murder, because murder requires, gasp, premeditation to classify as murder.
Some people do think about killing themselves, think it out how, in all its details; so yes, in a sense, I suppose you could call it murder. But I wouldn't. I would just classify it as death. Sure it may be sad and tragic and all, but the world continues to move on.
Hey, even Paul was torn between "leaving the world" and continuing his work for the Messiah...if I recollect.
And, uhh, dying with a mortal sin isn't hellbinding, I don't think. Unless God systematically picks people off when they're sinning so he can give them a one-way ticket to hell, since he definitely didn't come to save such filthy sinners. No. If you die sinning, or if you die scratching your head, there's no difference. If you're covered with Christ's blood, you're clean in God's eyes. But it helps keep the people on their toes; sin is not something God approves of, and something that most Christians desire to avoid, if only to please God.
Think of it in the humiliating way, then: what if you die copulating? Embarrassing, sure, but if it's your wife, then I don't think God's going to mention it up as a mortal sin (unless God's Catholic, and you two were using contraception...) and bar you from the Celestial City. I mean, what if you were in mid-thought and a sick, evil thought flashed across your mind at the same point a heavensent Bullet Train roared across your fiendish body? No. It's stupid to think that way.
If you're covered, you're covered.
Master~Plan
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sure he said he would much rather be in heaven, but that doesn't mean he was "torn between suicide and living". Paul said God has work for him to do, and he did as God said. No where does it say Paul contemplated suicide. Please correct me if I"m wrong.[b said:
1 corinthians 6:19 says if we are a christian, we are not our own. If God wanted to make a message out of your death, then he would kill you.[b said:
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Paul longed to leave the world. He did not want to stay behind. I'm fairly certain that means he had been contemplating committing suicide.
And, hey, why can't God kill you through suicide? All things work together for good, after all...besides. If you commit suicide, then wasn't that known to happen, and part of God's planning, too?
And, hey, why can't God kill you through suicide? All things work together for good, after all...besides. If you commit suicide, then wasn't that known to happen, and part of God's planning, too?
Master~Plan
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I long to leave the world, heaven sounds good to me, but I would never kill myself or contemplate suicide. Doesn't heaven sound good to you? but earlier you posted "I'm not going to commit it" I don't think Paul longing to leave the earth is grounds to believe he contemplated suicide...
same argument can be used to justify murder. "hey all things work together for good if I choose to rob a bank and shoot the teller in the head. God knew I would rob the bank, isn't it part of God's planning?" please don't use my God's knowledge as a scape goat, its rather insulting...[b said:
TastyWheat
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Actually, I'm pretty sure most scholars feel that he's referring to the fact that he's soon to be martyred. Although he was certainly imprisoned when he wrote Philippians, by his language it looks like Paul was optimistic of being released. Even if this was the case, it seems to me that when one is close to being martyred you have a sense of it, as Paul was hinting at.[b said:
Paul contemplating suicide doesn't match up with anything Christ would have taught, or anything else Paul conveyed for that matter.