Suicide

Here are two things I found about the Hebrew meaning of the kill/murder used in the verse in question.  After each listing there are references to where they came from (I got them from the John MacArthur Lifeworks Library). The first one is a list of how each word is most commonly translated and the number of times it was translated that way in the Bible, the second one is just a translation.


7523 רָצַח [ratsach /raw·tsakh/] v. A primitive root; TWOT 2208; GK 8357; 47 occurrences; AV translates as “slayer” 16 times, “murderer” 14 times, “kill” five times, “murder” three times, “slain” three times, “manslayer” twice, “killing” once, “slayer + 310” once, “slayeth” once, and “death” once. 1 to murder, slay, kill. 1a (Qal) to murder, slay. 1a1 premeditated. 1a2 accidental. 1a3 as avenger. 1a4 slayer (intentional) (participle). 1b (Niphal) to be slain. 1c (Piel). 1c1 to murder, assassinate. 1c2 murderer, assassin (participle)(subst). 1d (Pual) to be killed.

v v: verb
TWOT Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament
GK Goodrick-Kohlenberger
AV Authorized Version
Strong, J. 1996. The exhaustive concordance of the Bible : Showing every word of the test of the common English version of the canonical books, and every occurence of each word in regular order. (electronic ed.) . Woodside Bible Fellowship.: Ontario



 
7523.     רָצַח râtsach, raw-tsakh’; a prim. root; prop. to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), espec. to murder:— put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er).

prim. prim. = primitive
prop. prop. = properly
i.e. i.e. = that is
espec. espec. = especially
Strong, J. 1997, c1996. The new Strong's dictionary of Hebrew and Greek words . Thomas Nelson: Nashville
 
Greater love hath no man, than he lay down his life for his brother.

Depends how you define suicide - is it merely the taking of ones own life out of fear and cowardice, or is it the surrendering of ones own life for a cause?
 
I was thinking more along the lines: Live is to hard\giving up kind a setting

If I got the choise : shoot your self or we kill this Girl, dunno I'm kinda ego... I bet someone would throw down they'r life at once, but if that is suicide, and it is a sin lets twist the words; Go to hell or we kill this little girl, would you choose hell over the little girl?

or the baldurs gate question :
You and your sibelings are caught by an evil wizard, you ar placed in one cage, your siblings in the other.

In each cage there is a button, if you press it and they don't you die and they go free, if they press it and you don't you go free, if you both press it you both die. What is your choice.. (you have no way of communictaing with your sibelings)
 
as far as laying down my Life (not live) for someone, could be a random stranger, and i know the out come is hell, i think i would choose that life anyday over letting that person die, because i do not know where they are in their walk, and maybe my dieing will bring more people to the Lord... its better that one goes, and a one has a chance to stay, in my oppion, even if i am the one.
 
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Depends how you define suicide - is it merely the taking of ones own life out of fear and cowardice, or is it the surrendering of ones own life for a cause?
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If you give your life so another one may live, that's not suicide. It's more of a sacrificial death.
 
And suddenly, the ad hoc's start rolling in. "Suicide" has now become a very vague term, vague to the point of being almost undefined..
 
which is why the poser of the question needs to clarify.

words and text is not a precise form of communication, due to the fact that the same word can have the different meanings, based on pov, context and even reader.
 
I agree - what is the definition of suicide?

I mean, didn't JC commit suicide according to the bible?
 
Hm... Theologically, perhaps. Historically, no. He allowed Himself to be killed to fulfill His purpose; yet narratively he was condemned to death by the law and executed thusly.

Very interesting point, Eon.
 
Eztral, if you are a christian, least 'most' christians go to heaven, even if they commited suicide.

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Quote[/b] ]If you give your life so another one may live, that's not suicide. It's more of a sacrificial death.
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So, if someone was about to get hit by a truck, you dash to save him/her, and instead get hit and killed by the truck, what would that be?

Eztral, I thrive suicide, heh. Your no different from me, except if you are a christian.You got the faith, strength, guts.

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Quote[/b] ]Go to hell or we kill this little girl, would you choose hell over the little girl?
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I would, I did, I am going to hell.
I wonder if you would admit that.

[b said:
Quote[/b] ]Hm... Theologically, perhaps. Historically, no. He allowed Himself to be killed to fulfill His purpose; yet narratively he was condemned to death by the law and executed thusly.
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Sounds like your just bending the laws of the bible.
 
Here's an interesting point - if dying to save another is fine and not counted as suicide then what's to stop human sacrifice in Christianity - provided the offering is willing?
 
because that is an abomination to God, that is one reason why he commanded the isrealites to total wipe out the canaanites when the entered into canaan.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] (Corpfox @ Mar. 05 2004,11:23)]Sounds like your just bending the laws of the bible.
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What do you mean, "bending the laws of the Bible"? I'm just trying to look at it from Eon's perspective.

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Quote[/b] ] if dying to save another is fine and not counted as suicide then what's to stop human sacrifice in Christianity - provided the offering is willing?
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That's sort of what started to happen in the early church when persecution was getting rough. There were a ridiculous number of people stepping forward, looking to martyrdom. Then there were those few who decided that "he who hides or runs away lives to preach another day", and they were looked pretty harshly upon.
 
Eztral, I thrive suicide, heh. Your no different from me, except if you are a christian.You got the faith, strength, guts.

I would, I did, I am going to hell.
I wonder if you would admit that.
err... The faith yes, the strength dunno for how long, not every christian is a happy squirril dancingaround with the strength of a lion...
If i would admitt I'd go to hell, that would kinda ruin the whole "going on" consept so, no.

As for the definition of what suicide is, I don't know anymore, heh I actually opend this post more to get replies on the thoughts of ppl, like All suiciders go to hell, or all christian suiciders takes a shortcut to heaven, I didn't open this with a strong personal feeling about what was suicide other than putting an gun to your head n pulling the trigger (4 example)
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Okay - so now we know what YOU meant by suicide. Kidan? You're usually handy with a scripture quote.
 
[b said:
Quote[/b] ]As for the definition of what suicide is, I don't know anymore, heh I actually opend this post more to get replies on the thoughts of ppl, like All suiciders go to hell, or all christian suiciders takes a shortcut to heaven, I didn't open this with a strong personal feeling about what was suicide other than putting an gun to your head n pulling the trigger (4 example)
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What do you expect, whenever a bad/sad post comes by, it becomes a huge dis/agreeable debate, I should know, I HAVE BEEN THERE/HERE!

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Quote[/b] ]not every christian is a happy squirril dancingaround with the strength of a lion...
If i would admitt I'd go to hell, that would kinda ruin the whole "going on" consept so, no.
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Yes...not everyone does, im pretty sure thats why, being a christian, u can talk to god, or pray with him...
As admiting, I knew it, but figures, I am the only person here that has admit of going to hell, unless someone here comes foward, anyone?

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Quote[/b] ]Quote (Corpfox @ Mar. 05 2004,11:23)
Sounds like your just bending the laws of the bible.

What do you mean, "bending the laws of the Bible"?  I'm just trying to look at it from Eon's perspective.
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Christ die to take your sins, yes? wouldn't that be a sacrifual death? So it should be a yes, than a therology maybe...unless your a teacher/professor, then im wrong.
 
Yeah, I'll go to Hell rather than kill an innocent - just to spite the muddy funster giving me the choice.
 
Heh, teorietical question, do you think you'd be easier of in hell if you died\suicided for someone else? I think I would go "insane" by the constant reminding that I could be in Heaven, and that would make it worse
(just a comment no one needs to answer to this one)
 
Well, that's a lose-lose thing anyway. It'd depend on where the innocent person was going. If he/she was going to Heaven, it might be easier to kill him/her. ( Not that I'd do that, of course. )
 
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