Dark Virtue
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Point 1: Christians have been claiming Jesus is coming back for 2,000 years. I'm not holding my breath.
Point 2: Do threats really work? Is THAT why you believe? Because you're afraid of the alternative?
suffering?
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Point 1: Christians have been claiming Jesus is coming back for 2,000 years. I'm not holding my breath.
Point 2: Do threats really work? Is THAT why you believe? Because you're afraid of the alternative?
the_great_eskimo_pie
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THis is a thread about suffering. If you wish to dicuss these questions further. PLease start another thread with them.
Zeena
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Fear is only one motive to lead us to the Cross of Christ..
It (fear) is usally pre-emptive in the reconcilliation of man to God
Faith in the word of God given by angels is another..
Many are called, few are chosen..As the scriptures have said..
For..
Be ye reconciled..
PsT
If I have to take a blow from God for standing in the gap so be it
Dark Virtue
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Okey dokey.
Why is suffering needed at all?
If God is omnipotent & omnibenevolent, why does suffering factor into the equation?
Why is it deemed by God to be a necessary part of life?
Why is suffering needed at all?
If God is omnipotent & omnibenevolent, why does suffering factor into the equation?
Why is it deemed by God to be a necessary part of life?
Zeena
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Jesus suffered much..
It is the Life of Christ in us, God revealing His Son to us by His Holy Witness
Genesis1315
Ladies
Because we live in a fallen world. I do believe the God intended for us to live without suffering, but at the time of the fall sin entered the world.
I wish it was different, but the suffering we experience is ultimated used for His Glory.
Dark Virtue
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Why is it you can post PAGES of stuff, but never anything that has to do with my questions to you?
I didn't IF Jesus suffered, I asked WHY suffering exists.
Big difference.
Dark Virtue
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Ewww, you may want to rephrase that, because it sounds like God make a mistake.
If God intended us to live without suffering, I think that an omnimax God could do it. Therefore, I must contend that God INTENDED us to suffer. How we got here is really a moot point in light of an omnimax being.
Genesis1315
Ladies
If we are going to go that route...God wanted us to choose Him freely. We did not, hence the suffering
Zeena
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Agreed this is the original cuase of suffering Gen
But now, through faith we can know Jesus through sufferings and various trials
dattaswami
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Why is my life full of problems related to money, relations, stress etc? Why do all the decisions that I take always go wrong?
Man proposes and God disposes to show that you should not be too much involved in the worldly affairs and that you should turn to Him. The failures in the world show that God is very much interested in your case and is constantly trying to divert you towards Him. The failures and problems are real friends, who will turn you to God.
The success with fame is the real enemy, which drags you away from the God. When Lord Krishna asked His aunt, Kunthi, to ask for a boon, she asked Krishna to continue only problems in her life. Her argument was that she remembered the Lord always in difficulties. She wants to remember God continuously. All the things in this world proceed according to the wheel of deeds (Karma Chakra).
You cannot change the destined route of things in this nature. They reflect the systematic administration of rules and regulations laid down by the Lord. You cannot change the nature of the external atmosphere. You must cut your mental attachment to the external atmosphere and remain peaceful. With the peaceful mind, you must concentrate on God.
Man proposes and God disposes to show that you should not be too much involved in the worldly affairs and that you should turn to Him. The failures in the world show that God is very much interested in your case and is constantly trying to divert you towards Him. The failures and problems are real friends, who will turn you to God.
The success with fame is the real enemy, which drags you away from the God. When Lord Krishna asked His aunt, Kunthi, to ask for a boon, she asked Krishna to continue only problems in her life. Her argument was that she remembered the Lord always in difficulties. She wants to remember God continuously. All the things in this world proceed according to the wheel of deeds (Karma Chakra).
You cannot change the destined route of things in this nature. They reflect the systematic administration of rules and regulations laid down by the Lord. You cannot change the nature of the external atmosphere. You must cut your mental attachment to the external atmosphere and remain peaceful. With the peaceful mind, you must concentrate on God.
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Dark Virtue
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If we're going to go THAT route, that decision was not based on my choice now was it?
Genesis1315
Ladies
Yes, DV you are right, it was based on Adam and Eve's choice. Ultimately, that is how suffering came into the world and now, we must enjoy the fruits of the tree they planted.
Dark Virtue
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But WHY?
Not only is that not fair, it's not very benevolent.
If your father commits a crime, should you be punished for it? What about seven upon seven generations? What about the entirety of your lineage?
Now you can claim that God doesn't have to be fair because, he's well, God an all, but if you want to side with that argument, you will have a tough time convincing me that God is just or benevolent.
Zeena
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Adam sinned, and we were in him..
WE ALL died to God that day..
We recieved Adam's life, passed down from generation to generation until we now stand before you..
The children bearing the likeness fo thier fathers, with ever increasing dishonour to Adam, the father of all mankind
If a man dies, he is then freed from that life though death..
He is no longer like Adam, but rather a like a worm, in the ground, six feet under
He returns to the ground from which he came :O
If you're a Christian, then you died with Christ, so that we can belong to the family of God instead, and have everlasting Life!
As a Christian you recieve the Life GOD has for you, here in this life as you reckon yourself DEAD to sin and alive to God through Jesus Christ the Lord..
If you do not do so in this life, you will do so in the hereafter..
You shall still be saved...But only as through FIRE
Of course it's not fair. But mankind forfitted their right to be greater than the devil when the evil one tricked them (as we were made greater than the devil at first). As a result, evil taints our lives, and the only freedom we have from it is through Jesus Christ.
Jeshurun
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If you do not do so in this life, you will do so in the hereafter..
You shall still be saved...But only as through FIRE
Ummm please anyone whats wrong with the above statements?
Is it me am I reading this correctly or is this the result of misinterprating the word of God?
The "hereafter" would be heaven I presume. Welcome to Quantom Leep everyone! Okay I'm melting now and the dross is coming to the top, ooooh what world oops I mean what a hereafter.
How is one saved when he is thrown into the lake of FIRE in the hereafter?
That FIRE is a total seperation from God it is eternal death.
Last time I checked: There is "Only one life, twil soon be past, only whats done for Christ will last."
You shall still be saved...But only as through FIRE
Ummm please anyone whats wrong with the above statements?
Is it me am I reading this correctly or is this the result of misinterprating the word of God?
The "hereafter" would be heaven I presume. Welcome to Quantom Leep everyone! Okay I'm melting now and the dross is coming to the top, ooooh what world oops I mean what a hereafter.
How is one saved when he is thrown into the lake of FIRE in the hereafter?
That FIRE is a total seperation from God it is eternal death.
Last time I checked: There is "Only one life, twil soon be past, only whats done for Christ will last."
Dark Virtue
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Adam sinned, and we were in him..
WE ALL died to God that day..
We recieved Adam's life, passed down from generation to generation until we now stand before you..
The children bearing the likeness fo thier fathers, with ever increasing dishonour to Adam, the father of all mankind
If a man dies, he is then freed from that life though death..
He is no longer like Adam, but rather a like a worm, in the ground, six feet under
He returns to the ground from which he came :O
If you're a Christian, then you died with Christ, so that we can belong to the family of God instead, and have everlasting Life!
As a Christian you recieve the Life GOD has for you, here in this life as you reckon yourself DEAD to sin and alive to God through Jesus Christ the Lord..
If you do not do so in this life, you will do so in the hereafter..
You shall still be saved...But only as through FIRE
Zeena, you're not addressing the point.
Dark Virtue
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WRONG!
Mankind didn't forfeit anything. Adam and Eve did, that is all.
You are merely prosecuting the rest of us for the sins of two people.
Jeshurun
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I thought you might find this to be a blessing so here ya go everyone.
Spices mentioned in the Song of Solomon 4:14 have a very descriptive and symbolic meaning.
Aloe: The juice has a bittersweet taste but is soothing when applied to the skin. It tells us of the sweetness of bitter things. Bittersweet is an important application that only he who has used it will understand.
Myrrh is symbolic of death, having been used to inbalm the dead. It represents the sweetness that comes to the heart after it has died to self-will, pride, and sin.
Frankincense was a fragrance that arose only after being touched with fire. The burning incense became clouds of sweetnesss arising from the heart of the flames. It symbolizes a person's heart whose sweetness has been brought fourth by the flames of affliction until the holy, innermost part of the soul is filled with clouds of praise and prayer.
From out of all this the question is, are our lives yielding spices and perfumes - sweet fragrances of the heart?
Song of Solomon 4:16 "Awake, north wind, and come, south wind! Blow on my garden, that its fragrance may spread abroad."
from The Love-Life of Our Lord
Spices mentioned in the Song of Solomon 4:14 have a very descriptive and symbolic meaning.
Aloe: The juice has a bittersweet taste but is soothing when applied to the skin. It tells us of the sweetness of bitter things. Bittersweet is an important application that only he who has used it will understand.
Myrrh is symbolic of death, having been used to inbalm the dead. It represents the sweetness that comes to the heart after it has died to self-will, pride, and sin.
Frankincense was a fragrance that arose only after being touched with fire. The burning incense became clouds of sweetnesss arising from the heart of the flames. It symbolizes a person's heart whose sweetness has been brought fourth by the flames of affliction until the holy, innermost part of the soul is filled with clouds of praise and prayer.
From out of all this the question is, are our lives yielding spices and perfumes - sweet fragrances of the heart?
Song of Solomon 4:16 "Awake, north wind, and come, south wind! Blow on my garden, that its fragrance may spread abroad."
from The Love-Life of Our Lord
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