So I was looking at answers in Genesis...

[Big J]

And I was reading about the Ice Age.

Back in the old days at X Christian School, the ice age was laughed off as secular bull poo. It never happened, and it was all a lie created by evolutionists.

So, in reading their piece on it, I was wondering...where is the Ice Age mentioned in the Bible? They claim that it occurred after the flood...but I don't remember reading about it anywhere.

Also, on a somewhat related topic...from what I read there, they do seem to advocate microevolution. Do any of you hold that microevolution occurred too? or is that just that site?

Thanks all.

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (Big J @ Nov. 07 2003,2:26)]And I was reading about the Ice Age.

Back in the old days at X Christian School, the ice age was laughed off as secular bull poo.  It never happened, and it was all a lie created by evolutionists.

So, in reading their piece on it, I was wondering...where is the Ice Age mentioned in the Bible?  They claim that it occurred after the flood...but I don't remember reading about it anywhere.

Also, on a somewhat related topic...from what I read there, they do seem to advocate microevolution.  Do any of you hold that microevolution occurred too?  or is that just that site?

Thanks all.  

Hi Big J,

  There are two lines of development we are talking about -- the development of the Planet and the different Pre-Human Semi-erect Primates, and, where the Bible picks up, that time when and after Adam and Eve were tossed down on Earth to generate the true Homo Sapiens.  There is some apparent overlap -- Adam and Eve were from 5 to 6 thousand years ago, but physiologically genuine Homo Sapiens were becoming successful rivals against Neaderthal and Cro-magnon about 10,000 years ago.  My pet theory is that God tossed Adam and Eve down into the 'winners' of that Primate competition to become "human".  It may be off the point -- but what I think put Homo Sapien in the lead was the partnership Man created with Dog -- at the same time our two species became symbiotic, Neanderthal and Cro-magnon were pushed out of viable competition.  We sicked our dogs on them!  Or, more likely, our dogs were able to help us better exploit our hunting grounds and thus support larger social units.

But, the Ice Age -- there was the Major Ice Ages -- how long ago?  But a Minor Ice Age that made Northern Europe scarcely livable about 11,000 years ago.  But, the Fertile Cresent was probably more fertile than ever.

 

[CCGR]

regarding microevolution I believe in adaptation and minor changes. I mean consider all the various forms of canines out there. So many but technically one classification, however I don't expect them to be getting wings or scales any time soon. Some galapogas turtles have longer necks than others, this is a survival adaptation and I'm cool with that too.

 

[Kidan]

microevolution is not true evolution. it's the winning out of certain aspects of a species that already exists.

for dogs it's called a 'breeding program'

 

[timor]

Speciation, however, *does* occur and has been observed.

http://talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

You seem also to forget that many many little changes add up to, eventually, quite large changes.

 

[Avesther]

Why does the bible not discuss the ice ages? Maybe a discussion on such is not important to the message of the bible.

If a book is written to help you understand what God wants in your life, then is a technical discussion of why Morraines exist important? I say no.

Is an ice age that supposedly happened 11,000 years ago the only explaination? No. There is an explaination in the bible that would leave the exact same evidence behind: The global flood.

Is it not also possible, that the creation of a world in one day would have been so violent that mountains would've have formed and gone through very dramatic changes?

Is it also not possible that if God can create light before a source can also create the evidences of ice ages or dinosaurs or other ancient artifacts as well?

If we can give God credit for creating the big things, why is it so hard to give God credit for creating the small things?

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (Gods_Peon @ Nov. 07 2003,12:15)]Why does the bible not discuss the ice ages?  Maybe a discussion on such is not important to the message of the bible.

If a book is written to help you understand what God wants in your life, then is a technical discussion of why Morraines exist important?  I say no.

Is an ice age that supposedly happened 11,000 years ago the only explaination?  No.  There is an explaination in the bible that would leave the exact same evidence behind:  The global flood.

Is it not also possible, that the creation of a world in one day would have been so violent that mountains would've have formed and gone through very dramatic changes?

Is it also not possible that if God can create light before a source can also create the evidences of ice ages or dinosaurs or other ancient artifacts as well?

If we can give God credit for creating the big things, why is it so hard to give God credit for creating the small things?

No...that wasn't my point. What I was saying is that answersingenesis stated that there was an ice age. The Bible doesn't mention it at all. I mean, it mentions many other things, I would think that if an ice age occurred, *something* would be mentioned.

See, this is one of my problems with people (not necessarily you...I don't know where you fall on this) holding the Bible as a scientific and historical source. There is so much missing.

Once again, I would be much more impressed if things like that were mentioned.

Anyway, I am curious to know...do you deny that there was at least one major ice age? All the evidence of an "Ice Age" is actually flood evidence? Just curious...

And furthermore...are you saying that God created evidence for ice ages/dinosaurs without them actually existing? There's only one reason I can come up with for that...and it ain't pretty...

 

[Kidan]

uhm...y would an ice age be mentioned? if memory serves, none of the ice ages affected the middle east (though I could be wrong on this, it's been a VERY long time since I've even looked at info regarding ice ages...) or at least the effects weren't a giant glacier sitting out there.

 

[Grand Master]

Quote[/b] ]Is it also not possible that if God can create light before a source can also create the evidences of ice ages or dinosaurs or other ancient artifacts as well?

So what, is God now trying to trick us? Sounds like a fun little game, creating the Earth and Universe 6000 years ago and then suckering us into thinking it is actually way older than that to make us think that the Bible is a big steaming pile of you-know-what.

 

[Avesther]

The scripture says that God did create mysteries for us to solve.

Quote[/b] ]It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

I didn't say God was trying to trick us. You did.
You called it a game.
You call it suckering us.

So you are right, your interpretation of what I said is a big pile of you know what, to use your words.

All I did was offer a possibility, something to contemplate, not the end answer in itself.

 

[Avesther]

BigJ, all I did was offer some possibilities that would be consistent with what the scriptures say. Nothing more.

Scientist only say an ice age exists because they look at the evidence filtered by their own axioms.

The sharp carvings of valleys in the Rocky Mountains are claimed to have been created by the slow advance and retreat of Ice glaciers. Yet it is also acknowledged that water with great force could also carve such features in a much shorter time period. It took only days according to the bible for the flood to engulf the whole of the world. That would consititute enough force.

 

[Big J]

Oh, I know.

I wasn't trying to be hostile. Sometimes, I think I come off as such, when that is not my intent. I was just curious about your outlook.

 

[Guest]

Quote[/b] (Big J @ Nov. 08 2003,3:38)]Oh, I know.  

 I wasn't trying to be hostile.  Sometimes, I think I come off as such, when that is not my intent.  I was just curious about your outlook.

You! Hostile? You are one of the most even tempered people on the Web.

And your questions are pretty good.

I was fantasizing that if I ever became famous and wanted to give an interview, I'd pick you to interview me. Your questions are intriquing and your manner isn't one that would annoy me into profanity.

 

[Big J]

Quote[/b] (Leo Volont @ Nov. 08 2003,4:53)]

Quote[/b] (Big J @ Nov. 08 2003,3:38)]Oh, I know.  

 I wasn't trying to be hostile.  Sometimes, I think I come off as such, when that is not my intent.  I was just curious about your outlook.

You! Hostile?  You are one of the most even tempered people on the Web.

And your questions are pretty good.

I was fantasizing that if I ever became famous and wanted to give an interview, I'd pick you to interview me.  Your questions are intriquing and your manner isn't one that would annoy me into profanity.

Thank you Leo. I appreciate it.